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12 Nov 2006 23:09 #91593 by mark1122
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Whats the diff. between a j and a gpz1100 head.wich is better to put on a kz900 botom.

76 KZ, frame gusset work,1200CC.Ported by Larry Cavanaugh, 1.5mm.over intakes, Carron Pipe, ZRX12 rear end, and seat,96zx9 front end.
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13 Nov 2006 04:58 #91609 by Duck
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81 Injector holders cast into head. Do not know what combustion chamber looks like, suspect it's the same as the J.

82 same as J except for tapped hole for CHT sensor. This I do know, having both.

83/84, I have read, has a different combustion chamber, bathtub instead of hemi, shape but I have not seen one.

Still have not had a chance to get to the workshop since returning from HI 2.5 weeks ago. Linda gave me an arm long list of chores to have done before she arrives in Dec. Mostly plastering as the fist thing on the list and need about 10 min every hour to give arms a rest. By the time I get fast at it, I'll be done :-)

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13 Nov 2006 06:30 #91622 by mark1122
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did you say you have to give your arms a rest so you can get plasterd?that must be one heavy bottle.:blink: :silly: :P

76 KZ, frame gusset work,1200CC.Ported by Larry Cavanaugh, 1.5mm.over intakes, Carron Pipe, ZRX12 rear end, and seat,96zx9 front end.
01 CBR600F4i Track bike.
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13 Nov 2006 06:31 #91623 by mark1122
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I just wondered if one was to build a new head wich one would be the best to start with.and why

76 KZ, frame gusset work,1200CC.Ported by Larry Cavanaugh, 1.5mm.over intakes, Carron Pipe, ZRX12 rear end, and seat,96zx9 front end.
01 CBR600F4i Track bike.
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13 Nov 2006 06:43 #91629 by donthekawguy
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You can plumb nitros into the gpz head through the F/I ports! :ohmy:

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13 Nov 2006 08:19 #91658 by Duck
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donthekawguy wrote:

You can plumb nitros into the gpz head through the F/I ports! :ohmy:


Only 81 has ports in head.

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13 Nov 2006 08:25 #91660 by Duck
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mark1122 wrote:

did you say you have to give your arms a rest so you can get plasterd?that must be one heavy bottle.:blink: :silly: :P


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Seriously, I'm replacing the rotten skim coat on 80 year old plaster walls. Take it off with a plane. Put it on with a trowel. Sand out trowel marks. The more plastering I do, the better I get. Result is less sanding as the project progresses. Arms will be in good shape for painting :-)

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13 Nov 2006 09:34 #91679 by APE Jay
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The 81-82 heads had basically the same combustion chamber as the J head, and the same size valves.

The '83-84 heads are the bathtub chamber and slightly larger valves.

As for which one to put on a KZ lower end?, Use the early hemi style. The reason is that you can use J/GPZ pistons and a .040" spacer plate and have the correct piston dome to match the head. If you use the 83-84 head you can't do that as the 83-84 pistons have 18mm pins.

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13 Nov 2006 16:13 #91805 by kano
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ANY MORE INFO ON THIS? "You can plumb nitros into the gpz head through the F/I ports!"

i would prob do it just for looks as i doubt i can get over 120 here anyway.

as i have the head in question on my elr.

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13 Nov 2006 16:52 #91826 by larrycavan
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A couple of other points about the heads....

83-85 GPz / 84-85 LTD - Intake runners are considerablly larger with the largest intakes and exhaust valves Kaw used on any of their KZ or J motors. Outflows on avg 10cfm @.400" lift /10"Pressure] more than KZ or J. 82 vs 72

Standard J head from any model exclusing above, 1mm over valves, runners are larger than KZ but on average doesn't flow anything to write home about..Low 70s at above test pressure and lift.

J series heads require less work when 33mm or larger carbs are your target size.

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13 Nov 2006 17:03 #91829 by mark1122
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Since the 83/4 heads flow better that sounds like the best head.is jay saying that you cannot get pistons to work with this head or just cant use stock stuff?

76 KZ, frame gusset work,1200CC.Ported by Larry Cavanaugh, 1.5mm.over intakes, Carron Pipe, ZRX12 rear end, and seat,96zx9 front end.
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13 Nov 2006 17:19 #91833 by racer54
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The 83-84 GPZ pistons use 18mm wrist pins. Your KZ and J pistons have 17mm wrist pins. So to use GPZ pistons, you'd have to use a GPZ crank which has a different cam chain style which means lots of changes. I think you could use KZ pistons but the chambers and piston domes would be very different and would require a lot of piston dome work...if it would work. Easier to just use what Jay said.

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