It's like a box of chocolates. 50 year old motorcycle. multiple PO's

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It's like a box of chocolates. 50 year old motorcycle. multiple PO's

22 Sep 2025 15:02
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I melted the piston in my TC185. I was on the highway, holding it at full throttle for about 5 minutes.
When I disassembled the top end, there was no head gasket. Did a PO forget to put it in? Was it intentional, trying to increase compression?
How much compression increase would this provide? Could this have contributed to my melted piston? 
 
1997 ZL600
94 KE100
82 KZ305
74 TC185

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Re: It's like a box of chocolates. 50 year old motorcycle. multiple PO's

22 Sep 2025 15:27 - 22 Sep 2025 15:32
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This used to be “a thing” back in the day with 2 strokes (lap the head to the barrel with valve grinding paste and delete the gasket 
Also after prolonged WOT you need to “blip” the throttle when slowing (shutting the throttle means no 2 stroke oil being drawn in and overheating the piston)
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Re: It's like a box of chocolates. 50 year old motorcycle. multiple PO's

22 Sep 2025 16:40
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ckahleer post=917509 userid=54928I melted the piston in my TC185. I was on the highway, holding it at full throttle for about 5 minutes.
When I disassembled the top end, there was no head gasket. Did a PO forget to put it in? Was it intentional, trying to increase compression?
How much compression increase would this provide? Could this have contributed to my melted piston? 
 
Deleting the head gasket may have put the compression up by 1 point and since its low compression anyways it probably did not contribute to that hole.

For example, a .040" gasket on a 70mm piston gives about a -1.5:1 compression difference. It also really depends on the piston dome and combustion chamber volumes, there are online calculators to figure this out.
 
1978 KZ650B2 w 1197cc Z1 engine
1977 KZ650B1 w 750cc Spectre engine
1979 KZ650C3 w 831cc Hot Rod engine
1978 KZ650C2 w 762cc DFI project
1977 KZ650C1 stock restoration project
1978 KZ650B2 modified project
1978 KZ650B2 Injected Drag 831cc
1980 Z1 Custom Frame Drag 1327cc
1981 Z50R Honda tow bike

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