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10 Oct 2022 02:08 - 11 Oct 2022 17:54 #875327 by Andyp62
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Hi all
my 1978 Z650 runs fine when out but the following day it is very hard to start and usually at least one spark plug needs to be changed as they are very sooty before it runs on all four cylinders, it has been strobe timed and runs perfectly apart from start issues, the only thing I have noticed is the points are the wrong way round, the left pair marked 1-4 is actually sparking 2-3 and likewise 2-3 are actually firing 1-4, would this make any difference, it is all standard ignition system and is a US import

1978 Z650 B2, US import to the UK
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10 Oct 2022 03:22 #875328 by zed1015
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The sooting and plug fouling when left overnight is very likely down to oil fouling due to leaking valve stem seals which allow oil to leak into the combustion chambers when stood overnight.
The next time the bike has been stood overnight remove the plugs before starting and i'll bet at least one will be wet with oil.
The points orientation is not an issue.




 

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10 Oct 2022 04:01 #875329 by F64
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Before you fire it up in the morning, pull the plugs and smell them.

Does it smell like oil or gas?

Dry soot covererd plugs may indicate a very rich condition.

This will also allow you to check if your petcock is leaking gas into the cylinder whick could cause hydrolock if severe enough.

Which plugs are you using?

81-KZ440-D2.
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10 Oct 2022 05:16 #875330 by Nessism
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The choke pickup tubes, or passage in the float bowl, could be plugged, leading to hard cold start on the affected cylinders.  Also, valve clearances that are too tight also lead to hard start, particularly when hot.
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11 Oct 2022 08:53 #875429 by Andyp62
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I have tried NGK B8 and B7 ES and nippondenso W22-E U 

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11 Oct 2022 08:54 #875430 by Andyp62
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I am planning to remove the carbs soon for Vapour cleaning so will check the chokes and what size jets are in 

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