Mystery no-start situation - Help!

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27 Jul 2021 13:49 #852640 by gd4now
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Not sure if this will be of any more help or not, but you might want to read the 60/40 test from the link below.  

www.motorcycleproject.com/text/the_60-40_rule.html

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27 Jul 2021 15:03 #852646 by slmjim+Z1BEBE
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That it won't fire with ether is telling.

Is full battery voltage at the coils?  The internal contacts on old ignition switches can cause fairly severe voltage drop.

Maybe try attaching a timing light & cranking while observing the timing mark(s) on the advancer to make sure spark is happening when it's s'posed to.

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28 Jul 2021 21:45 - 28 Jul 2021 21:46 #852761 by jekyllman
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So I was able to get some life back into it. Just fitted the plugs and wires a little better. Still barely runs with JUST the right amount of choke and throttle. Definitely dies the minute I let off the throttle.

I took a video of the points while turning over the engine. Thoughts on the different seen between the two points contacts?



   

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29 Jul 2021 09:24 #852776 by jekyllman
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Better video:

imgur.com/a/JYsGV69

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29 Jul 2021 10:04 #852779 by Rick H.
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I am no expert in this area, but that spark coming from the front(?) set of points isn't right.  In fact it's way bad.  That much spark coming off theose points will definitely damage them.  Have you done anything with the ignition circuit at all such as replace points and condensers?  The point sets appear to look different to me but I can't tell for sure.  I used to see a little bit of intermittent spark off the points, before installing the Dyna setup, but it was very small and hard to see.  

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29 Jul 2021 11:18 - 29 Jul 2021 11:19 #852783 by Mikaw
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Condenser is bad, or the points face are flashed. You can try to resurface the points and reset gap, but I’m thinking the condenser is bad

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29 Jul 2021 13:31 - 29 Jul 2021 13:52 #852791 by F64
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It may not be an issue but in the video your points plate is out of adjustment range.
It's not centered in the slots.
You may have compensated for it with individual points adjustments.
You might double check you are firing on the  "F" mark not the "T" mark.
 

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29 Jul 2021 13:35 #852792 by Rick H.
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That's kind of my thought too Matt, but looking at the points leads me to think they need to be replaced.  The right side looks really corroded but there's so much spark flash I can't get a good look at the left.  I don't think I have ever seen a set of points with this much spark flash.  Wouldn't want to get my fingers close to it.

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29 Jul 2021 13:43 - 30 Jul 2021 07:09 #852793 by F64
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The condensor keeps that sparking down, but wondering if  those are Kawasaki condensors.
The OEMs are much better just not cheap. They're about $35 on ebay..not bad.
Get the oem points as well.

Funny, I'm reading a book that may have the same issue as you have.
From: Lone Rider by Elspeth Beard
 

 

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10 Aug 2021 11:28 #853516 by jekyllman
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New condensers and we're golden!! Finally! Thanks everyone for you help on this. I probably wouldn't have figured this one out.
 

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10 Aug 2021 15:21 #853533 by Robb2018
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The condensor keeps that sparking down, but wondering if  those are Kawasaki condensors.
The OEMs are much better just not cheap. They're about $35 on ebay..not bad.
Get the oem points as well.

Funny, I'm reading a book that may have the same issue as you have.
From: Lone Rider by Elspeth Beard
 

 
 
So don't leave us hanging... what did the hotel manager want?

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