Pulling throttle too quick cuts out engine when starting

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16 Oct 2020 14:04 #837017 by bSzemanKZ440
Title says my problem. If I go to pull on the throttle too quick when starting, it'll cut out the engine. If I let go quick enough it won't kill the bike.
What could be causing this? Its an 81 KZ650 CSR
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16 Oct 2020 14:17 #837020 by zed1015
The cause is you are pulling on the throttle too quick.
To fix the problem don't pull on the throttle quick.

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16 Oct 2020 14:34 - 16 Oct 2020 14:35 #837021 by Warren3200gt
If you crack open the throttle on any carb bike really fast chances are it will stall regardless of under load or not. Fuel is feed to the cylinders by vacuum created by the the cylinder. Air feed to the cylinder by the same vacuum but directly through the slide. So if you crack open the throttle, lifting open the slides, extra air is imediately feed to the cylinder. Extra fuel is feed to the cylinder via the pilot, feed tubes, then into the throttle throat and finally into the cylinder. Result is that the extra air is much more immediate than the extra fuel. Consequently the fuel air mixture is far too lean to combust and the engine cuts out. This is exactly why dfi was developed.


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16 Oct 2020 14:45 #837022 by hardrockminer

zed1015 wrote: The cause is you are pulling on the throttle too quick.
To fix the problem don't pull on the throttle quick.


You made my day! I was thinking exactly the same!

I have several restored bikes along with a 2006 Goldwing with a sidecar. My wife has a 2019 Suzuki DR 650 for on and off road.
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16 Oct 2020 16:12 #837027 by TexasKZ
You should not be twisting the throttle while starting. Leave it alone. The enricheners will provide the extra fuel needed to start a cold engine. Opening the throttle leans the mixture too much for a cold engine.

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16 Oct 2020 16:40 - 16 Oct 2020 16:42 #837032 by 650ed

TexasKZ wrote: You should not be twisting the throttle while starting. Leave it alone. The enricheners will provide the extra fuel needed to start a cold engine. Opening the throttle leans the mixture too much for a cold engine.


Exactly! I've owned my 1977 KZ650-C1 for more than 43 years (more than 62,000 miles) and have never twisted the throttle when starting the bike, and the bike starts up easily every time. If the engine is cold open the choke 3/4 or so, then once the engine starts close the choke.
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16 Oct 2020 17:45 #837037 by bSzemanKZ440
Thank you all! That’s a sigh of relief haha.

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16 Oct 2020 21:04 - 16 Oct 2020 21:05 #837041 by martin_csr
Adding to what TexasKZ said, after the engine is warmed up & still warm/hot, when restarting the engine, you shouldn't have to use the "choke", but you may need to crack open the throttle. This stuff in the the owner's manual, Starting the Engine section.
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17 Oct 2020 05:20 #837055 by Pagala
If it's still happening after the engine has warmed up, check your spark plugs and see what they show you.

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