Smoke coming from cylinder head

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31 May 2019 16:44 - 31 May 2019 16:44 #804974 by dpivas7
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I got my new (to me) engine running on my 1982 KZ750 LTD. I replaced the engine with a 1980 KZ750E engine with unknown miles. I bought it from ebay and all the guy could tell me is that it came from a running bike so I don't know very much about it.

I checked the cold compression after I got the engine installed and every single cylinder was at 130 psi - dead on the money too.

I got it started today and let it idle for about 10 minutes to get the new oil to move around and I took it out for a quick 5 minute ride to see how it shifted and everything.

The ride was fantastic, especially compared to what it used to be like, but I did notice a little bit of smoke coming out from the cylinder head around cylinders 3 & 4. It wasn't thick heavy smoke - think like steam or something. It had a smell that was a little sweet, but I don't know what burning oil smells like. The engine had been sitting outside of an engine frame for a while (at least a year and a half - I only had it in my garage for about 3 months) and was covered in mud, pine needles, and all kinds of other junk. I cleaned it as best as I could, but all I had were some brushes, Gunk engine degreaser, and a bucket of water (no hose or power washer) so I couldn't get everything off.

Is this something to be concerned about?

Or could it just be dust and debris that are in and around the engine that are finally getting burnt off because it sat for so long.
Before I had the engine, it was sitting without any rags or anything to plug all the open orifices. Could it be due to that?

How do I know if my exhaust is leaking? I suspect it could be maybe be that as well since I have a brand new exhaust on this engine as well.

Current: '19 Harley Roadster, '72 XLCH, '84 GPz 550
Past: '84 GPz 550, '82 KZ750 LTD, '71 XLCH
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31 May 2019 17:06 - 31 May 2019 17:07 #804977 by Nessism
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Did you pull the valve cover off and adjust the valves? Replace the valve cover gasket and replace, or at least reseal, the rubber cam plugs before buttoning it back up? Reason for asking is first, this is critical maintenance and must not be neglected. And two, you may have a valve cover leak.

An exhaust leak typically sounds like a valve tic noise. Hope you replaced the exhaust gaskets before installing the exhaust system.

If you didn't do the valves that's the first order of business. Clean everything really well before installing the new OEM gasket. Then go ride to heat the engine and burn off any residual residue on the engine which could be smoking. If you must, sprinkle some foot powder on the engine and look for oil leaks.
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31 May 2019 17:07 - 31 May 2019 17:08 #804978 by TexasKZ
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It could be remaining schmuck burning off, or it could be a dried out and leaking o-ring or gasket. With the engine cold ( has not run in several hours), grab your torque wrench and service manual and insure that all the head nuts are at proper torque. Some folks prefer to back each nut off a bit, before retorquing.
Go for a longer ride. If it is a weeping gasket or o-ring, you should be able to get an idea of where the problem is. A common place is where the tachometer cable enters the head. As I recall, there are two o-rings and a flat seal involved. Oh, I am assuming your bike has a mechanical, not electrical, tachometer.

+1 on what Nessism said.

1982 KZ1000 LTD parts donor
1981 KZ1000 LTD awaiting resurrection
2000 ZRX1100 not ridden enough
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31 May 2019 17:30 #804979 by dpivas7
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The exhaust came with new, copper gaskets that I installed. But thanks for reminding me about the valve heights. This was something I wanted to check, but I have completely forgot!

I'll check them this weekend and order a gasket and some cam plugs.

I don't have a tach at the moment - I had ordered one but it was discontinued and I couldn't find one that was similar/matched my speedo. Could it still leak from there without any cable attached? I'd assume so, but this is the first bike I've become intimately involved with so I don't have a much experience.

Current: '19 Harley Roadster, '72 XLCH, '84 GPz 550
Past: '84 GPz 550, '82 KZ750 LTD, '71 XLCH

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31 May 2019 18:11 #804980 by ayeckley
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Also, heads-up that 10 minutes is an awfully long time to let an air-cooled motorcycle engine idle. I think most folks would recommend no more than 3-4 minutes.

1976 KZ900A4
1976 KZ900A4
1978 KZ1000A2
1983 ZX750 A1 aka GPz 750
1983 ZX750 A1
1973 CL350K4
1984 ZX1100 A2 aka GPz1100
1969 CT90
2006 Burgman 400

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01 Jun 2019 09:42 #804992 by dpivas7
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Aside from running lean and needing to sync the carbs, I think it's leaking from the cylinder head. The cooling fins are wet and that's about where the smoke is coming from.

I don't need to remove the engine to replace the head gasket, correct?

Current: '19 Harley Roadster, '72 XLCH, '84 GPz 550
Past: '84 GPz 550, '82 KZ750 LTD, '71 XLCH

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01 Jun 2019 13:08 #804997 by Patton
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The tach housing o'ring(s) and tach shaft seal are common leak sources that can be replaced without removing the engine head.

Good Fortune! :)

1973 Z1
KZ900 LTD

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01 Jun 2019 13:12 #804999 by Patton
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If not already done, I would suggest torquing the cylinder head using the factory prescribed pattern when the engine is stone cold after sitting overnight.

Good Fortune! :)

1973 Z1
KZ900 LTD

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01 Jun 2019 17:09 #805003 by Nessism
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Patton wrote: If not already done, I would suggest torquing the cylinder head using the factory prescribed pattern when the engine is stone cold after sitting overnight.

Good Fortune! :)


Agree. Crack the nuts loose to get them moving and then make them up. The nuts always seem sticky due to static friction otherwise.

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02 Jun 2019 17:03 #805041 by Nebr_Rex
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Nessism wrote:

Patton wrote: If not already done, I would suggest torquing the cylinder head using the factory prescribed pattern when the engine is stone cold after sitting overnight.

Good Fortune! :)


Agree. Crack the nuts loose to get them moving and then make them up. The nuts always seem sticky due to static friction otherwise.


And make sure the threads are lubed.


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2002 ZRX1200R
81 GPz1100
79 KZ1000st daily ride
79 KZ1000mk2 prodject
78 KZ650sr
78 KZ650b
81 KZ750e
80 KZ750ltd
77 KZ400/440 cafe project
76 KZ400/440 Fuel Injected

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02 Jun 2019 17:43 #805045 by Vincent J
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Its probably left over sap from pine needles and gunk degreaser burning off

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