Kz650 compression after rebuild

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18 Jul 2016 13:01 - 18 Jul 2016 13:07 #735343 by baldy110
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I would start with removing the cams then turning the engine over by hand just to eliminate the cams as your problem. If you still have resistance then pull the head and cylinder then check clearances. Do not forget to check the ring gaps they just might be the problem too.
When I assemble an engine I will manually rotate it during the build process just to make sure everything is turning smoothly. For instance when I finish installing the crank I will rotate the engine by hand if that is smooth I will go to the next step. After installing the pistons and cylinder I will rotate the engine if it is smooth then I move onto the head, and so on. If something is not smooth I will stop and figure out why, fix it then move on.
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18 Jul 2016 13:59 #735350 by vict182
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Did that process too

Everything was moving smoothly step by step

Everything turns smoothly also now everytime the engine is cold

The problem occurs only when the engine is hot

I am reclutant to take things off like cams, head and cylinders when the engine is hot

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18 Jul 2016 14:09 - 18 Jul 2016 14:14 #735354 by baldy110
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I didn't mean take it apart while it is hot I was simply telling you how I do things. If everything went together smoothly and you have this problem now when it gets warm your left with one choice at this point. Taking the top end apart one piece at a time until you find the problem. Now I am assuming this problem was not present before putting in the piston kit. If not then it is something that was introduced when adding it. Most aftermarket piston kits need a larger piston to cylinder wall clearance since the pistons are forged, not cast, they have different expansion rates. If the machine shop set the clearance to the stock piston specs then problems will come up, I have had shops do that.
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18 Jul 2016 14:15 #735356 by vict182
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I said i should take it apart when hot because it is the only moment when the problem occurs

When the engine is cold everything was smooth during rebuild and everything is still smooth now when the engine is cold

I think at this point i should speak with people who worked on my cylinder block to fit the wiseco pistons

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18 Jul 2016 14:21 #735357 by baldy110
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I know the problem only comes up when it's hot but the piston to cylinder wall clearances are checked cold. That is a good idea to check with the machine shop, get the specs they used from them and see. The wiseco specs are usually on the side of the box or inside the box on a spec sheet.

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18 Jul 2016 14:45 - 18 Jul 2016 14:47 #735360 by Nessism
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I would not take anything apart yet.

You might want to remove the spark plugs and turn the engine over with a wrench on the end of the crank. It should turn reasonably easily. Do it both hot and cold to tell if you can notice a difference.

If the piston to cylinder clearance is too tight the engine will stick. I'll be surprised if this is the issue.
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18 Jul 2016 15:16 #735363 by vict182
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I will speak with shop people and run the tests you suggested.

Will keep you posted

Thank you

Vic

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18 Jul 2016 16:49 #735373 by missionkz
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Nessism's advice is to be listened to.
Don't be pulling anything apart yet.
Assuming you aren't trying to start it in gear, just remove the spark plugs and crank the engine around by the kick starter using your foot then do it by hand.
You should be able to do it with very little effort by foot and only a little harder by hand.
Put one spark plug in at a time and see how the actual compression effects the effort.

Bruce
1977 KZ1000A1
2016 Triumph T120 Bonneville
Far North East Metro Denver Colorado

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18 Jul 2016 21:24 #735399 by Nebr_Rex
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baldy110 wrote: I didn't mean take it apart while it is hot I was simply telling you how I do things. If everything went together smoothly and you have this problem now when it gets warm your left with one choice at this point. Taking the top end apart one piece at a time until you find the problem. Now I am assuming this problem was not present before putting in the piston kit. If not then it is something that was introduced when adding it. Most aftermarket piston kits need a larger piston to cylinder wall clearance since the pistons are forged, not cast, they have different expansion rates. If the machine shop set the clearance to the stock piston specs then problems will come up, I have had shops do that.


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Air cooled engines need air flow over them while running.
Use a fan in front of the bike if you are 'tuning while stationary.


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18 Jul 2016 21:39 #735401 by vict182
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I never tune while the bike is stationary

I take a ride
Then i stop
Make some changes with air screws
Then turn the engine on and ride again
Always reading oil temperature on a display i installed

Temperature when i stop is always around 80° celsius. When i start the engine to ride again temperature is never more than 90° celsius

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19 Jul 2016 04:32 #735417 by KZB2 650
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Ape did .002 clearance on mine and my ring gaps were set right at .0085 for the top rings (3 were right on and 0ne I opened up from .0055) and .011, .0115 to 13.5 for the second not having to do anything to them.

1978 KZ650 b-2
700cc Wiseco kit 10 to 1.
1980 KZ750 cam, ape springs, stock clutch/ Barnett springs.
Vance and Hines Header w/ comp baffle and Ape pods, Dyna S and green coils, copper wires.
29MM smooth bores W/ 17.5 pilots, 0-6s and 117.5 main
16/42 gearing X ring chain and alum rear JT sprocket.

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19 Jul 2016 17:45 #735492 by 650mod
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Sorry to chime in late here- but I'm running a very similar set up to you and Baldy. 720 Wiseco kit, ZR7 4-1 exhaust, VM24's with dyna jet stage 3 kit, dyna ignition... I've also never had issues cold or hot. Compression is where it should be for the high compression kit, and it spins over easily when cold or hot. Pretty well as easily as the stock set up.

Hopefully it's nothing too severe for you.

78 kz 650 custom
Wiseco 720cc big bore
Dynajet stage 3 carb kit with pods
2002 Kawasaki Z750 exhaust
2001 Buell lightning front end
1999 Ninja 600 swingarm with 1999 Ninja 900 rear rim
converted to monoshock rear
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