Should oil level be higher for oil cooler?
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Re: Should oil level be higher for oil cooler?
02 Dec 2015 15:12 - 02 Dec 2015 15:15
Synthetic oils are a whole different story. There is no VI improver added so there is nothing to wear out. The actual oil molecules never wear out. You could almost use the same oil forever. The problem is that there are other additives and they do get used up. I suppose if there was a good way to keep oil clean you could just add a can of additives every 6 months and just change the filter, never changing the oil.
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Re: Should oil level be higher for oil cooler?
02 Dec 2015 15:17 - 02 Dec 2015 18:20
I'd be willing to bet that there is more than enough room for 6 tiny ounces without causing any foam at all during the few seconds it takes for the pump to fill the cooler.
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Re: Should oil level be higher for oil cooler?
02 Dec 2015 16:00:huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh:TexasKZ wrote: Also, fully synthetic oil should never be used with an oil cooler. It is so much slipperyer that it will go through the cooler too fast to cool off.
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02 Dec 2015 16:13LOL This post had me rolling my eyes too.PLUMMEN wrote::huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh:TexasKZ wrote: Also, fully synthetic oil should never be used with an oil cooler. It is so much slipperyer that it will go through the cooler too fast to cool off.
Full synthetic oil has been called too slippery for a roller bearing motor , but to fast to allow cooling in a oil cooler ??? That's
a new one on me :blink:
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Re: Should oil level be higher for oil cooler?
02 Dec 2015 16:27
Fluid is fluid. Some do cool differently however. It would be interesting the heat dissipation figures between the two. :dry:
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02 Dec 2015 16:40Street Fighter LTD wrote:LOL This post had me rolling my eyes too.PLUMMEN wrote::huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh:TexasKZ wrote: Also, fully synthetic oil should never be used with an oil cooler. It is so much slipperyer that it will go through the cooler too fast to cool off.
Full synthetic oil has been called too slippery for a roller bearing motor , but to fast to allow cooling in a oil cooler ??? That's
a new one on me :blink:
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Pretty sure the synthetic oil comment was a joke.

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02 Dec 2015 16:50Nessism wrote:Street Fighter LTD wrote:LOL This post had me rolling my eyes too.PLUMMEN wrote::huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh:TexasKZ wrote: Also, fully synthetic oil should never be used with an oil cooler. It is so much slipperyer that it will go through the cooler too fast to cool off.
Full synthetic oil has been called too slippery for a roller bearing motor , but to fast to allow cooling in a oil cooler ??? That's
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Pretty sure the synthetic oil comment was a joke.
I got that

, But it does make for a interesting debate,
Less friction at a given pressure equals increased flow,, Gallons per minute up for thinner oil weights, or same weight , but slicker on a molecular level.
And that being said do you compensate with a larger cooler for the faster flow
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Re: Should oil level be higher for oil cooler?
02 Dec 2015 17:15
Nah, you don't need to compensate for the faster flow through the oil cooler because the oil shoots through the engine faster too, so it never gets very hot. :whistle: Ed
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Re: Should oil level be higher for oil cooler?
02 Dec 2015 17:59
Actually, synthetic oil is not more "slippery", it doesn't reduce friction other than when you are at meltdown temps or on an extended change interval. Performance wise synthetic is pretty much same as mineral oil, it just lasts longer and holds up to high temps better.
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02 Dec 2015 18:21So , then the reports that full synthetic oil can be a problem with roller bearings is false ??Nessism wrote: Actually, synthetic oil is not more "slippery", it doesn't reduce friction other than when you are at meltdown temps or on an extended change interval. Performance wise synthetic is pretty much same as mineral oil, it just lasts longer and holds up to high temps better.
The word is that on a roller crank and rods the rollers in their cages were slipping on the races versus rolling on the races causing galling of races and early bearing failure . Do a google search on the topic and let me know. To throw more gas on this fire , this debate became huge when Harley started putting Full Synthetic in their motors and transmissions from the factory and it caused issues. .
Again , This is just a for fun debate. I prefer Regular oil , ( Shell Rotella ) .
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Re: Should oil level be higher for oil cooler?
02 Dec 2015 18:23
It is also more resistant to shear stress, which is good in a transmission.
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