KZ440-400 swap

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26 Dec 2014 06:03 #656977 by GrumpyBSTRD
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This question has most likely been covered many times but Tapatalk is impossible to navigate.

Anyway what exactly are the differences between the 400s and the 440s?

The reason I ask is because I have acquired an '81 KZ440D (LTD) that had a spun con rod bearing. After searching for months have failed to locate the parts I need or a decent replacement motor but have managed to get my hands on a good running 400. I knew enough to get one new enough to have the external oil feed. Running the numbers I believe it's a '79.

Other than the pistons, cylinders and cam gear is there any other differences I need to know about?

Sorry for running on and thanks in advance.

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26 Dec 2014 10:21 #656990 by Nebr_Rex
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Kick start.

2002 ZRX1200R
81 GPz1100
79 KZ1000st daily ride
79 KZ1000mk2 prodject
78 KZ650sr
78 KZ650b
81 KZ750e
80 KZ750ltd
77 KZ400/440 cafe project
76 KZ400/440 Fuel Injected

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26 Dec 2014 15:36 #657009 by 650ed
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Did you try asking a Kawasaki dealer about the con rod bushing? According to Partzilla the same bushings were used on various Kawasaki models up through 2009, so suspect you will find the bushings are still available. They cost about $7 or $8 each. Ed

1977 KZ650-C1 Original Owner - Stock (with additional invisible FIAMM horn)

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26 Dec 2014 15:42 #657010 by Nebr_Rex
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If the bearing spun it probably scrored the crank also.
Been thru that ordeal before.


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2002 ZRX1200R
81 GPz1100
79 KZ1000st daily ride
79 KZ1000mk2 prodject
78 KZ650sr
78 KZ650b
81 KZ750e
80 KZ750ltd
77 KZ400/440 cafe project
76 KZ400/440 Fuel Injected

www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=39120.0


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26 Dec 2014 16:01 #657013 by GrumpyBSTRD
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According to Kawasaki that bearing was only used until '83, hasn't been made since '93 and there hasn't been available for back order in Canada for more then 10yrs.

Partzilla lists them as still available (the only online parts site that did) but when I ordered them I received an Email a few hours later stating they are obsolete.

I found a guy on ebay that had a set but he wanted $50ea. (that's $100 for the complete bearing)

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26 Dec 2014 16:05 #657014 by GrumpyBSTRD
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As for the crank, it is marred slightly but I repolished it to a point that is usable but not to be completely trusted. A motor swap is still the best option.

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26 Dec 2014 16:11 - 26 Dec 2014 17:35 #657016 by GrumpyBSTRD
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...and being how bearings have to be matched to journals and mains/con rods add to that how impossible it is to track down 1 bearing, replacing and having to find all 6 will take a miracle.
Last edit: 26 Dec 2014 17:35 by GrumpyBSTRD.

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26 Dec 2014 17:35 - 26 Dec 2014 17:43 #657032 by 650ed
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Here are 6 of one size:








Here are 11 of the other size.









Ed

1977 KZ650-C1 Original Owner - Stock (with additional invisible FIAMM horn)
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26 Dec 2014 17:43 - 26 Dec 2014 17:45 #657034 by GrumpyBSTRD
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Ok, a couple of them would fit, (92028-1099)

but being the crank should be replaced as well, that means replacing both sets of con rod bearings and all mains

It's way easier this way.
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26 Dec 2014 20:03 - 26 Dec 2014 20:04 #657046 by GrumpyBSTRD
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…so to bring it back to my original question,

Other then the pistons, cylinder jugs and cam gear (along with a kick start) is there any differences between the 400 and the 440 I need to know about?

i.e. spark plugs/gaps, carb jets, CDI etc.
Last edit: 26 Dec 2014 20:04 by GrumpyBSTRD.

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27 Dec 2014 04:41 #657054 by Nebr_Rex
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None what so ever.


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2002 ZRX1200R
81 GPz1100
79 KZ1000st daily ride
79 KZ1000mk2 prodject
78 KZ650sr
78 KZ650b
81 KZ750e
80 KZ750ltd
77 KZ400/440 cafe project
76 KZ400/440 Fuel Injected

www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=39120.0


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27 Dec 2014 04:56 - 27 Dec 2014 04:58 #657055 by GrumpyBSTRD
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Nebr_Rex wrote: None what so ever.


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Thank you, just so no unexpected surprises come up with this swap. I will be obviously keeping the 440 around for a parts motor and future bore increase. After some head work :evil:
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