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09 Apr 2014 20:30 #628494 by freakinbike
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1982 GPZ750

Cylinder #1 and #2 do not fire. All across the head I have 140-150psi, and strong spark. It seems that they're not getting fuel, as I couldn't smell any coming out of the spark plug hole or on the spark plug itself. My carbs are freshly rebuilt, and even so, I went through and cleaned them again. Nothing changed. I tried running the bike without the airbox and spraying carb cleaner into the open carbs and got nothing.

The bike backfires through the carbs occasionally, could this be a timing issue? I checked the timing advancer and it seemed stuck, so I'm currently getting it back up to spec. Should I check the cam timing as well? I just finished a head rebuild so I'm confident that it's all correct, but you never know. Or could this be electrical?

Thank you for the help!

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09 Apr 2014 20:49 #628497 by nickleo373
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Did you check the fuel heights when you rebuilt the carbs? If the heights aren't correct they could be blocking fuel from entering your carbs

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10 Apr 2014 05:15 #628527 by 650ed
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I don't see how it could be a cam timing issue. If it was, all 4 cylinders would have the same problem. Also, I don't think it would be a problem with the ignition system since cylinders 1&4 are on one coil and 2&3 are on the other. If a coil wasn't firing properly it wouldn't affect 1&2. Does you carb rack have 2 fuel supply lines? If so, maybe the line for carbs 1&2 is plugged up. Check the fuel levels as mentioned by nickleo373 using the clear tube method. You may even want to just pull a drain screw on carb 1 or 2 to see if the bowl had sufficient fuel in it. Be careful to catch the fuel in something, and NO SMOKING during this test. Ed

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10 Apr 2014 12:53 #628574 by loudhvx
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Is it possible you just have the spark plug wires on the wrong plugs?

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11 Apr 2014 11:04 #628697 by freakinbike
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I was under the impression that each plug fired simultaneously (waste spark). I'll switch them around and see what happens.

Would someone happen to know the stock float height perchance?

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11 Apr 2014 11:08 #628699 by loudhvx
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As Ed mentioned, one coil fires the # 2 and #3 plugs, while the other coil fires the #1 and #4.

The coil firing #1 and #4 will have a black wire.
The coil firing #2 and #3 will have a green wire.

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11 Apr 2014 13:29 #628705 by nickleo373
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I don't know where to get a link to the manual for your bike but the float height question was asked on the Kawasaki motorcycles forum.
www.kawasakimotorcycle.org/forum/mechani...-float-question.html

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11 Apr 2014 13:53 #628708 by freakinbike
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loudhvx wrote: As Ed mentioned, one coil fires the # 2 and #3 plugs, while the other coil fires the #1 and #4.


Right, and #3 and #4 fire beautifully, which leads me to believe that the arrangement isn't an issue. Even so, I'll see what I can do.

I did find the stock float height: 18.6mm and have adjusted each carb as such. None were that far off. So I did a fuel height check immediately afterward and all four carbs seem to have the correct fuel heights.

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11 Apr 2014 15:35 #628720 by Patton
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freakinbike wrote: 1982 GPZ750

Cylinder #1 and #2 do not fire. All across the head I have 140-150psi, and strong spark. It seems that they're not getting fuel, as I couldn't smell any coming out of the spark plug hole or on the spark plug itself. My carbs are freshly rebuilt, and even so, I went through and cleaned them again. Nothing changed. I tried running the bike without the airbox and spraying carb cleaner into the open carbs and got nothing.

The bike backfires through the carbs occasionally....


Which cylinder(s) is/are backfiring through the carbs occasionally?

Has starting fluid spray been tried instead of carb cleaner?

What ignition?
What plug wires?
What spark plugs?

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11 Apr 2014 23:08 #628762 by freakinbike
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Patton wrote:

freakinbike wrote: 1982 GPZ750

Cylinder #1 and #2 do not fire. All across the head I have 140-150psi, and strong spark. It seems that they're not getting fuel, as I couldn't smell any coming out of the spark plug hole or on the spark plug itself. My carbs are freshly rebuilt, and even so, I went through and cleaned them again. Nothing changed. I tried running the bike without the airbox and spraying carb cleaner into the open carbs and got nothing.

The bike backfires through the carbs occasionally....


Which cylinder(s) is/are backfiring through the carbs occasionally?

Has starting fluid spray been tried instead of carb cleaner?

What ignition?
What plug wires?
What spark plugs?

Good Fortune! :)


Cylinder #1 is the one backfiring through the carb, I believe. I have not tried using starting fluid.

I'm using stock ignition with NGK BSE8 plugs in all four cylinders, Dyna 3.0ohm coils, and 7mm dynatek copper wire.

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12 Apr 2014 00:03 #628765 by gd4now
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First do all four spark, or do you get no spark on 1 and 2? If both of them are not sparking then I would suggest you check the spark plug caps and make sure they have not gone south. If they are fine try snipping a small amount off of the cable and then re install the caps.

If on the other hand all 4 are sparking but 1 and 2 are not running then check the carbs for clogs, proper fuel levels, air/vacuum leaks.

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13 Apr 2014 17:27 #628907 by freakinbike
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gd4now wrote: First do all four spark, or do you get no spark on 1 and 2? If both of them are not sparking then I would suggest you check the spark plug caps and make sure they have not gone south. If they are fine try snipping a small amount off of the cable and then re install the caps.

If on the other hand all 4 are sparking but 1 and 2 are not running then check the carbs for clogs, proper fuel levels, air/vacuum leaks.


Ran through this. I have spark across all four and went through, again, cleaning my carbs. I checked my fuel levels and set them to the stock height and got nothing. Checked vacuum lines and everything is in order. If I deleted my silencer, would that have any positive effects on this situation?

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