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Exhaust valves - burned? KZ-750
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01 Jan 2014 08:51 - 01 Jan 2014 09:01 #616944
by undiablo
Kawasaki KZ 750/4 LTD 1981
Kawasaki KLR 650 2011
Argentina - Buenos Aires
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Happy new year for all of you!
I was removing the stock 4-2 exhaust system to install the Vance&Hines 4-1 when it occurred to me to use the cellphone to take some pictures of the exhaust valves and ducts.
I did that because I was getting white smoke on start up on one exhaust, the one that merges cylinder 1 and 2. I was suspecting a valve seal oil leak....and it results I was right! The four of them leak oil, but the culprit is cylinder 2.
Cylinder 1 - Exhaust - pic 1
Cylinder 1 - Exhaust - pic 2
Cylinder 1 - Exhaust - pic 3
Cylinder 2 - Exhaust - pic 1
Cylinder 2 - Exhaust - pic 2
Cylinder 2 - Exhaust - pic 3
Cylinder 2 - Exhaust - pic 4
Cylinder 3 - Exhaust - pic 1
No problem, I already have 8 new Viton seals .
But what concerns me a lot more is the colour and deposits of the four exhaust valves, do you think they are burnt? :blink: Bike runs great although.
Can you please help me guys? Is it safe to use the bike this way? I repeat, it runs like a champ!
I was removing the stock 4-2 exhaust system to install the Vance&Hines 4-1 when it occurred to me to use the cellphone to take some pictures of the exhaust valves and ducts.
I did that because I was getting white smoke on start up on one exhaust, the one that merges cylinder 1 and 2. I was suspecting a valve seal oil leak....and it results I was right! The four of them leak oil, but the culprit is cylinder 2.
Cylinder 1 - Exhaust - pic 1
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Cylinder 1 - Exhaust - pic 2
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Cylinder 1 - Exhaust - pic 3
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Cylinder 2 - Exhaust - pic 1
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Cylinder 2 - Exhaust - pic 2
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Cylinder 2 - Exhaust - pic 3
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Cylinder 2 - Exhaust - pic 4
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Cylinder 3 - Exhaust - pic 1
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No problem, I already have 8 new Viton seals .
But what concerns me a lot more is the colour and deposits of the four exhaust valves, do you think they are burnt? :blink: Bike runs great although.
Can you please help me guys? Is it safe to use the bike this way? I repeat, it runs like a champ!
Kawasaki KZ 750/4 LTD 1981
Kawasaki KLR 650 2011
Argentina - Buenos Aires
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01 Jan 2014 08:58 #616946
by undiablo
Kawasaki KZ 750/4 LTD 1981
Kawasaki KLR 650 2011
Argentina - Buenos Aires
Replied by undiablo on topic Exhaust valves - burned? KZ-750
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Cylinder 3 - Exhaust - pic 2
Cylinder 3 - Exhaust - pic 3
Cylinder 3 - Exhaust - pic 4
Cylinder 4 - Exhaust - pic 1
Cylinder 4 - Exhaust - pic 2
Cylinder 4 - Exhaust - pic 3
Cylinder 3 - Exhaust - pic 2
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Cylinder 3 - Exhaust - pic 3
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Cylinder 3 - Exhaust - pic 4
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Cylinder 4 - Exhaust - pic 1
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Cylinder 4 - Exhaust - pic 2
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Cylinder 4 - Exhaust - pic 3
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01 Jan 2014 09:44 #616952
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Replied by Patton on topic Exhaust valves - burned? KZ-750
If exhaust smoke significantly diminishes after the engine warms up, would just continue riding until there's some other reason to remove the head.
If the V&H is a brand new exhaust system, or with brand new header pipes, would pre-condition the header pipes to prevent bluing or other discoloration.
For further info, click here > www.kzrider.com/forum/3-carburetor/59205...irbox-and-4-1#615154
Good Fortune!
If the V&H is a brand new exhaust system, or with brand new header pipes, would pre-condition the header pipes to prevent bluing or other discoloration.
For further info, click here > www.kzrider.com/forum/3-carburetor/59205...irbox-and-4-1#615154
Good Fortune!
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01 Jan 2014 10:25 #616963
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Replied by turboking on topic Exhaust valves - burned? KZ-750
If you do have to do seals be sure the guides are not worn out........ they wear front to back and no amount of new seals will fix a guide issue :evil:
P.S. exhaust guides wear faster due to the heat...... :S
P.S. exhaust guides wear faster due to the heat...... :S
2005 Kawasaki mean streak
2000 325 H.P. mcXpress turbo Hayabusa
1979 kz 1000 mk II ATP turbo
1975 Z1 960 cc Mr. Turbo
1975 Z1 1428 big block ATP turbo
1976 Kz900 1103 cc ATP turbo
1985 GS 1150E
1983 GS 1100E
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1972 Honda cb750 (836cc turbo)
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01 Jan 2014 12:47 #616977
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The valves don't look unusual to me. The seals always fail, then seep oil down onto the valve and it oxidizes there and builds up a gunk layer. As said, if it runs good and has good compression, ride it. On my 750 twin, the oil buildup on the valve and seat would eventually keep the valve open enough to lower compression and then you have to fix it.
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01 Jan 2014 17:10 - 01 Jan 2014 17:34 #616997
by undiablo
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Argentina - Buenos Aires
Replied by undiablo on topic Exhaust valves - burned? KZ-750
Ok, after 5 hours of trying to install the V&H headers.... I did it!!!! :woohoo:
I must say I am really dissapointed with build quality... I was getting mad trying to install the 3rd pipe... it did not want to get inside the hole.
That is when I took the headers out and put an aluminum ruler sitting over the 4 exhaust... pipe number 3 was way out of spec in two ways:
a) flange diameter was over 0,6mm bigger than the others
b) flange and pipe was 8mm below the other 3 pipes.
I hate paying 355 bucks only to get this piece of crap.
I had to file over the flange to get a perfect outside diameter of 35,6mm and use and hydraulic jack to push the pipe inside the engine :blink: just to the point I could put the nuts for the collar. :pinch: :pinch: :pinch:
I should have stay with stock system or go with Kerker. V&H never more for me.
THANKS to Patton, bounty hunter an turbo king for your advice.
I must say I am really dissapointed with build quality... I was getting mad trying to install the 3rd pipe... it did not want to get inside the hole.
That is when I took the headers out and put an aluminum ruler sitting over the 4 exhaust... pipe number 3 was way out of spec in two ways:
a) flange diameter was over 0,6mm bigger than the others
b) flange and pipe was 8mm below the other 3 pipes.
I hate paying 355 bucks only to get this piece of crap.
I had to file over the flange to get a perfect outside diameter of 35,6mm and use and hydraulic jack to push the pipe inside the engine :blink: just to the point I could put the nuts for the collar. :pinch: :pinch: :pinch:
I should have stay with stock system or go with Kerker. V&H never more for me.
THANKS to Patton, bounty hunter an turbo king for your advice.
Kawasaki KZ 750/4 LTD 1981
Kawasaki KLR 650 2011
Argentina - Buenos Aires
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01 Jan 2014 17:16 #617000
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1980 kz1000B4 LTD- 1327cc 9-1 comp
Ported J model head
Psp-3x cams
RS 36s
Welded MK11 crank
Back-cut MK11 trans
MTC 2 stage lock up
Stretched 4-6 over running Hayabusa rear rim with 190 rear tire
Complete frame brace kit installed
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2014- ZX14R all stock for now
Replied by Powerstroke_fan on topic Exhaust valves - burned? KZ-750
sorry to hear about the V&h pipe. Ive heard others talk about the poor build quality.
1980 kz1000B4 LTD- 1327cc 9-1 comp
Ported J model head
Psp-3x cams
RS 36s
Welded MK11 crank
Back-cut MK11 trans
MTC 2 stage lock up
Stretched 4-6 over running Hayabusa rear rim with 190 rear tire
Complete frame brace kit installed
And Much Much more- SOLD
2014- ZX14R all stock for now
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01 Jan 2014 17:33 #617001
by undiablo
Kawasaki KZ 750/4 LTD 1981
Kawasaki KLR 650 2011
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Replied by undiablo on topic Exhaust valves - burned? KZ-750
Yes... I know they would have changed it if I was living in USA.
Shipping from Argentina and then paying customs again is not an option.
Shipping from Argentina and then paying customs again is not an option.
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01 Jan 2014 17:57 #617006
by Powerstroke_fan
1980 kz1000B4 LTD- 1327cc 9-1 comp
Ported J model head
Psp-3x cams
RS 36s
Welded MK11 crank
Back-cut MK11 trans
MTC 2 stage lock up
Stretched 4-6 over running Hayabusa rear rim with 190 rear tire
Complete frame brace kit installed
And Much Much more- SOLD
2014- ZX14R all stock for now
Replied by Powerstroke_fan on topic Exhaust valves - burned? KZ-750
Ya, that sucks man. sorry to hear about it.
1980 kz1000B4 LTD- 1327cc 9-1 comp
Ported J model head
Psp-3x cams
RS 36s
Welded MK11 crank
Back-cut MK11 trans
MTC 2 stage lock up
Stretched 4-6 over running Hayabusa rear rim with 190 rear tire
Complete frame brace kit installed
And Much Much more- SOLD
2014- ZX14R all stock for now
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