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16 Oct 2013 14:49 #610232 by bemoore
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A while ago, I bought a stock exhaust system for my 650C1 off ebay. I failed to notice that it had holes in the end of one side. So now I need to find some way to repair this. Any ideas?

77 KZ650C1 w/Kerker 4-1
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16 Oct 2013 15:04 #610235 by StreetfighterKz
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I can't really think of an elegant solution but a plate that looks like a giant washer could be made then welded to cover all the holes at once. But you'll have exposed weld beads that should be coated to prevent rust.

Later, Doug

1978 z1000 Streetfighter
1976 z900 Stripfighter (work in progress)
1983 Gpz750 Resto-Mod
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16 Oct 2013 15:13 - 16 Oct 2013 15:14 #610236 by martin_csr
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Possible internet searches: motorcycle end caps, muffler tips, exhaust caps, exhaust baffles, tips

Replacement mufflers.
EMGO UNIVERSAL DUNSTALL STYLE MEGAPHONE MUFFLER

HELIX RACING UNIVERSAL DUNSTALL TYPE EXHAUST MUFFLER

Verner-650's bike w Dunstall Replicas
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16 Oct 2013 15:23 #610237 by nickleo373
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Are you sure it's not used as a drain hole?

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16 Oct 2013 15:28 #610238 by bemoore
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StreetfighterKz wrote: I can't really think of an elegant solution but a plate that looks like a giant washer could be made then welded to cover all the holes at once. But you'll have exposed weld beads that should be coated to prevent rust.

Later, Doug

I thought of doing something like that. Would JB Weld be able to hold the "washer" in place without welds?

77 KZ650C1 w/Kerker 4-1

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16 Oct 2013 15:32 #610240 by bemoore
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martin_csr wrote: Possible internet searches: motorcycle end caps, muffler tips, exhaust caps, exhaust baffles, tips

Replacement mufflers.
EMGO UNIVERSAL DUNSTALL STYLE MEGAPHONE MUFFLER

HELIX RACING UNIVERSAL DUNSTALL TYPE EXHAUST MUFFLER

Verner-650's bike w Dunstall Replicas

Verner-650's exhausts look nice, but I'm interested in an actual stock exhaust. I would have no confidence with an aftermarket system that it would run as well as stock. It may flow better, but it will not flow exactly the same as stock, so stock jetting won't work. I have a Kerker now. If I decide to not go stock, I'm going to stick with the Kerker.

Thanks.

77 KZ650C1 w/Kerker 4-1

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16 Oct 2013 15:48 - 16 Oct 2013 15:49 #610243 by Cynjut
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As long as you don't make a crazy changes to the exhaust, most mufflers will react similarly to stock. The holes in your exhaust were probably added by the previous owner to get the to sound 'better' and to reduce back pressure.

As long as you haven't removed the airbox from your bike, this simple change should be fine, performance wise. The slight reduction in back pressure shouldn't require you to rejet, but you may need to tune the carbs slightly.

While some carbs sets (Keihin BS carbs, for example) do not react well to any changes in the performance envelope, others (like the Mikunis) are more tolerant of changes.

We're kind of 'rule of thumbing' the advice. Since your bike is a '77 and probably has Mikuni 26mm or 28mm carbs, you can make some pretty radical changes to EITHER the exhaust or the intake and not have to do a thing. My '77 KZ1000 ran without a single change to the tuning when I pulled the original exhaust and replaced it with a 4-into-1 high performance rig. Put on pod filters and a high performance exhaust and you might have to rejet.

Because of the way the Constant Velocity (Keihin) carbs actually operate, even slight changes translate to huge changes in carb performance.

Good luck.

1977 KZ-1000 A1
1982 KZ-1000 M2 Frankenbike
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16 Oct 2013 15:54 #610245 by bemoore
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nickleo373 wrote: Are you sure it's not used as a drain hole?

Yes, I'm sure. The other side doesn't have these holes.

77 KZ650C1 w/Kerker 4-1

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16 Oct 2013 16:34 - 16 Oct 2013 16:35 #610254 by Cynjut
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I noticed that there are screws in the ends of the mufflers. Have you tried removing those to see if the baffles are removable?

1977 KZ-1000 A1
1982 KZ-1000 M2 Frankenbike
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16 Oct 2013 16:42 #610256 by bemoore
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Cynjut wrote: I noticed that there are screws in the ends of the mufflers. Have you tried removing those to see if the baffles are removable?

No, I haven't tried that. I'll give that a try.

77 KZ650C1 w/Kerker 4-1

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16 Oct 2013 16:44 #610257 by Nebr_Rex
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Cynjut wrote: As long a

While some carbs sets (Keihin BS carbs, for example) do not react well to any changes in the performance envelope, others (like the Mikunis) are more tolerant of changes.

Good luck.


Keihin??? :whistle:

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78 KZ650sr
78 KZ650b
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16 Oct 2013 16:45 #610259 by Nebr_Rex
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bemoore wrote:

Cynjut wrote: I noticed that there are screws in the ends of the mufflers. Have you tried removing those to see if the baffles are removable?

No, I haven't tried that. I'll give that a try.


Good luck removing them screws.

2002 ZRX1200R
81 GPz1100
79 KZ1000st daily ride
79 KZ1000mk2 prodject
78 KZ650sr
78 KZ650b
81 KZ750e
80 KZ750ltd
77 KZ400/440 cafe project
76 KZ400/440 Fuel Injected

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