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07 Apr 2013 16:07 #581042 by lazy5892
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I have a 1981 kz650 csr, it has electronic ignition. She seems like she wants to start but cannot. I have removed and cleaned the carbs twice so im pretty sure they are clean. I recently went out and bought a multimeter and what do ya know, there is only about 8 volts on the left coil, and around 3 at the right hand side. If i check power from the positive lead and ground on the frame I have a little over 12 volts on each side, so my problem lies in the ground somewhere I believe. If anyone has encountered this problem or may have a potential solution it would be greatly appreciated,

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07 Apr 2013 16:09 #581043 by lazy5892
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Also, could I possibly just run new ground wires from the coils to the frame? would that cause any major problems?

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07 Apr 2013 16:21 #581045 by MFolks
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Try,first cleaning the heavy duty battery cable going to the engine mounting bolt from the Negative(-) battery cable, and then any that have a BLACK with YELLOW stripe, as they are part of the grounding system.

Then do this:

Cleaning Motorcycle Electrics

1. Get some of the De-Oxit electrical contact cleaner and figure on spending a good day going from the front of the bike to the back. It’s a plastic safe cleaner/preservative. www.deoxit.com is their website. It can be purchased at most Radio Shack Stores or any electronic supply places. Or use any plastic safe electrical contact cleaner(NOT WD-40 !).

2. On the older Kawasaki's, a majority of electrical connectors are inside the headlight housing requiring removal of the headlight, then the fun begins.

3. Do one set of electrical connectors at a time to avoid mixing up what connects to where. Usually disconnecting, spraying with De-Oxit and reconnecting is about all you'll need.

4. However, when encountering the green crud of corrosion, a brass wire brush may be needed on the pins you can reach. Some 400-600 grit wet and dry sandpaper strips rolled into a tube should reach the male and female pins in the more difficult to clean connectors.

5. Smoker’s pipe cleaners, cotton swabs and wooden toothpicks work as cleaning aids.

6. Really small electrical connectors may require the use of a welders tip cleaning tool assortment.

7. Most pins in the connectors are coated with a thin plating of tin, and others may be nothing more than copper or brass.

8. If moisture is added, the resulting corrosion lowers the voltage/current being carried causing dim lights, slow engine cranking, slow turn signal responce and lower input voltage to the ignition coils resulting in weak spark.

9. The left and right handlebar switch pods will need attention too as they have circuit functions like turn, horn, run/stop, and start. The older Kawasaki’s have reports of the soldered connections crumbling, if your bike has this problem, just ask, as I’ve got a repair procedure for this.

10. Usually a spritz or two with actuation of the switch is about all needed for these switches unless corrosion is detected and then careful disassembly is required.

11. The ignition switch may or may be not sealed to allow spraying the internal contacts. I urge caution if attempting to open this up as springs, and ball bearings may fly out never to be seen again!

12. If your bike has the older style glass tubed fuses, I suggest replacing them as vibration can cause internal failure. AGX is the type used, and most auto parts stores can get them for you, along with boating supply stores.

13. Clean the fuse holder clips, looking for signs of overheating(discolored insulation, signs of melting). I use metal polish on a cotton swab, followed by spraying another clean swab with the De-Oxit and then rubbing the inside of the fuse clip.

14. All battery cables must be clean and tight for maximum current transfer. Check the cables going from the Negative(-) battery terminal/post to the engine mounting bolt

15. Also the one going from the Positive(+) terminal to the starter solenoid and from there to the starter motor.

16. If any battery cable feels ”Crunchy” when flexed, replace it as possible corrosion is inside the insulation. Inspect all heavy duty battery cables and the smaller wire terminations(Bullet Connectors), for failed crimps, and those used in the electrical connectors, as they can fail over time.

17. Each "Bullet Connector" will have to be sprayed to ensure good connectivity, especially the ones going to the energizing coil of the starter solenoid.

18. The alternator output “Bullet Connectors” are usually behind the engine sprocket cover and will need inspecting and cleaning too.

20. The turn signal light sockets will benefit from a spritz from the contact cleaner along with the tail light/brake light socket.

21. Some brake light switches can be sprayed on the actuating rod, with the spray running down inside to the electrical contacts, others may be sealed requiring replacement if the switch is intermittent in operation.

22. Some people put the Di-Electric Grease on cleaned terminations/connectors, I don’t, as I’ve read/heard it can cause problems when it gets hot, actually insulating the connections, so the choice is yours to use or not.

I think I've covered about all of the electrical systems on the bike.........

“I spent a weekend going through every electrical connection and switch on the bike with a little scotchbrite pad and DeOxit - what a difference! Everything was brighter, gauge backlights, indicator lights, turn signals, I was getting a nicer spark, it fired up quicker, etc. Well worth my time. WELL worth it! “

From a forum member at www.kzrider.com

1982 GPZ1100 B2
General Dynamics/Convair 1983-1993
GLCM BGM-109 Tomahawk, AGM-129A Advanced Cruise Missile (ACM)
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07 Apr 2013 19:40 #581066 by lazy5892
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Thanks for the reply, I've actually seen that thread and have gone through most of the connections and gave them a good squirt of QD electronics cleaner. I'll be going through them again just to be sure. I noticed the leads wernt so tight connected to the coils so maybe that had something do do with it so i tightened them up as well. Im waiting for my battery to charge to test it out again. Does anyone know if when connecting the multimeter am I looking for 12V between the cables going into the coils, or just from the positive to ground?

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08 Apr 2013 00:18 - 08 Apr 2013 00:18 #581136 by Patton
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Supposed to have full battery positive voltage into coil primary terminal and out of the other primary terminal, which voltage reaches ground through the points (or whatever system is fitted).

The un-grounding of the coil's primary winding is the event that's supposed to result in the coil firing through the secondary loop (which includes the spark plugs).

Good Fortune! :)

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Last edit: 08 Apr 2013 00:18 by Patton.
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