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23 Aug 2010 22:07 #393391 by toadson
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I was just about 5 miles from home returning on a 160 mile ride, when my brake light kicked on, it sounded like my chain broke, and suddenly I had no power. I pulled over in a parking lot and my chain was really loose. Luckily my dad could come pick me up with the trailer, and as soon as I got home I tore the side cover that houses the front sprocket. The output shaft nut and lock washer were both sitting on the bottom of the cover in some grease (leaky output shaft seal). My sprocket worked its way off the splines, thus why it couldn't move anywhere. The lock washer looked toast, so it failed to do its job.

Has this ever happened to anyone before? I'm thinking of using loctite on it after I change out the leaky output shaft seal, but don't know if I should get another original lock washer or try something different. Any suggestions? And how hard is it changing the output shaft seal? I imagine its a bit of a job.

79 KZ1000 LTD. Mikuni VM26 w/ accelerator pump. 4 into 1 header. Stock intake setup. GS1100 Swingarm, My swap thread: kzrider.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&...d=5&id=210872#210872

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24 Aug 2010 04:40 #393407 by Old Man Rock
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You mean like this.... YUP!

I learned, the hard way of course :blush: , to use Blue locktite when installing it back on... Also, insure the washer tab isn't broken off for this is what occurred in my case. Torques for 104 ft pounds....

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24 Aug 2010 06:41 #393426 by RonKZ650
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It's happened to me 3 or 4 times over the years. If you have the proper lockwasher setup it won't happen. It happens from trying to reuse the washer and the tang breaks off or using aftermarket sprockets that don't have the hole for the washer. Most aftermarket do not have the hole, so shop around and insist on a decent sprocket.

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24 Aug 2010 06:56 - 24 Aug 2010 06:58 #393429 by TeK9iNe
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Use red thread locker and it will never come off under stress, even without the locking tabs or anything. You dont have to over do it, just a nice thin bead around 4-5 threads of the bolt/nut.

When time for removal, an impact wrench works fine with a little twist of the socket with your hand, no biggie.

Changing the output shaft seal is a piece o' cake if I remember correctly. You just pry the old one out, then grease the new one, and use a hollow pvc pipe/dowel to evenly rubber mallet the new one in.

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24 Aug 2010 09:58 #393476 by OKC_Kent
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Yes, mine have come off twice due to re-using tabbed washers.

But red loctite will assure that you will need a torch to heat the nut up, 6 foot pipe for the large socket and two teenage boys to hold the bike down as you put everything you have onto the end of said pipe. I wish I had an impact wrench that day. :laugh:

I would just use a new tabbed washer and maybe some blue loctite.

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24 Aug 2010 15:27 #393533 by mark1122
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my sprocket doesnt have a hole. i just use blue loctite and a cheap electric, impact gun.B)

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24 Aug 2010 17:20 #393564 by timebomb33
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i use red and hammer it on and off with an impact in fact i haven't had a washer in place for years don't waste my time or money with such things last time i had one fall off was around 5 years ago on my street bike. and the only reason it fell off was i couldn't find my loctite when i did a sprocket and chain change buy your self a cheap electric impact if you don't have an air one. i have a cordless18 volt that i use at the track and works fine

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24 Aug 2010 17:45 #393574 by toadson
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Wow,sounds more common that I thought! Turns out my lock washer actually fits the splines and doesn't have an arm that fits into the sprocket. I snapped some pictures of everything before I cleaned it up.

The nut and washer. Only one or two tabs are bent on it.


This is where they were sitting.


Greasy mess


My chain has some scuff marks now too.


A little damage here.


Not sure if I will reuse this washer or not. I don't see why I couldn't, since it fits the splines. I will use some loctite for sure for cheap insurance. I'm going to clean everything up nice and replace that seal for sure.

79 KZ1000 LTD. Mikuni VM26 w/ accelerator pump. 4 into 1 header. Stock intake setup. GS1100 Swingarm, My swap thread: kzrider.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&...d=5&id=210872#210872

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24 Aug 2010 17:48 #393575 by hocbj23
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Thats some nasty lookin sh-- right there.bj

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24 Aug 2010 17:58 #393580 by Patton
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toadson wrote:

...Not sure if I will reuse this washer or not. I don't see why I couldn't, since it fits the splines....


kawasaki.com shows the special washer is still available, part no. 92200-1065, used on a host of various models.

Good Fortune! :)

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24 Aug 2010 19:39 #393619 by Sandy
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Yep...it's happened to me too a few times,but I have spares now.:)

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25 Aug 2010 07:50 #393708 by timebomb33
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what kind of chain lube do you use,if you use chain wax or something light like it you wont end up with that kind of mess under the cover.

1973 z1 2-1974z1-a,2-1975z1-b dragbikes1015cc+1393cc, 1977kz1000,1978kz1000,1981kz1000j, 1997 zx-11, 2000 z12r,1428turbo nitrous pro-mod and a shit load of parts thats all for now leader sask.,CANADA
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