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03 Feb 2010 16:49 - 03 Feb 2010 16:51 #346298
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In a recent post I asked what to do about an engine that smoked from running rich. The responses I got all suggested that it was oil burning. I was stubbron about this until finally today I pulled the plugs and inspected the piston tops with a peak light I made. Well, not only were the plugs all oily, but the piston tops and some intake valves I could see where oily too.
Okay, I was wrong and admit it. It's burning oil. I don't know if it's the valves or rings, or both yet. Now what to do about it? I can do the work no problem, but I live in a remote area with limited tools. So, can I pull the head and possibly the cylinders without removing the engine from the frame? If so, what do I do about the cam chain, etc?
Any advice will be most appreciated!
Okay, I was wrong and admit it. It's burning oil. I don't know if it's the valves or rings, or both yet. Now what to do about it? I can do the work no problem, but I live in a remote area with limited tools. So, can I pull the head and possibly the cylinders without removing the engine from the frame? If so, what do I do about the cam chain, etc?
Any advice will be most appreciated!
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03 Feb 2010 16:55 #346300
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1973 z1 2-1974z1-a,2-1975z1-b dragbikes1015cc+1393cc, 1977kz1000,1978kz1000,1981kz1000j, 1997 zx-11, 2000 z12r,1428turbo nitrous pro-mod and a shit load of parts thats all for now leader sask.,CANADA
I THINK MY POWERBAND BROKE
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dont pull anything apart yet, double check your oil level and also do a compression and also a leak down test to verify where the problem is from. some of the symptoms you have described here and the carb thread would have me looking at a problem with the float valves in stead of a bad engine. if the oil level is too high or even if it'
s right pull the filler cap and give it a good smell it shouldn't smell like gas.
s right pull the filler cap and give it a good smell it shouldn't smell like gas.
1973 z1 2-1974z1-a,2-1975z1-b dragbikes1015cc+1393cc, 1977kz1000,1978kz1000,1981kz1000j, 1997 zx-11, 2000 z12r,1428turbo nitrous pro-mod and a shit load of parts thats all for now leader sask.,CANADA
I THINK MY POWERBAND BROKE
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03 Feb 2010 17:08 #346304
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Oil doesn't smell like gas and the level is correct. The pugs and cylinders also smell like oil and not gas. I'll do a compression test tomorrow but don't have a leak down tester.
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03 Feb 2010 17:28 #346312
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No eBay APP ID and/or Cert ID defined in Kunena configurationIf not already on hand, a FSM is essential, and readily available at reasonable cost.
Here's an example:
Good Luck!
Here's an example:
Good Luck!
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03 Feb 2010 17:31 - 03 Feb 2010 17:31 #346313
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1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
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Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter
Phoenix, Az
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It's definitely oily versus carbon build up you're seeing?
"I don't know if it's the valves or rings,"... As mentioned, compression and leak down test will provide the answers.... For the most part anyways...
OMR
"I don't know if it's the valves or rings,"... As mentioned, compression and leak down test will provide the answers.... For the most part anyways...
OMR
1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter
Phoenix, Az
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03 Feb 2010 17:35 #346314
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The reported oil condition might result from worn valve seals, which usually isn't a critical issue.
Good Luck!
Good Luck!
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03 Feb 2010 18:02 - 03 Feb 2010 18:03 #346326
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1973 z1 2-1974z1-a,2-1975z1-b dragbikes1015cc+1393cc, 1977kz1000,1978kz1000,1981kz1000j, 1997 zx-11, 2000 z12r,1428turbo nitrous pro-mod and a shit load of parts thats all for now leader sask.,CANADA
I THINK MY POWERBAND BROKE
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just check everything over ahead of time as good as you can just to mabye keep you from tearing down a good running bike for no reason they aren't cheap to build. by the way leakdown testers are reasonably cheap. it could save you a whole pile of time and money and yes you can take the top end off in the frame.
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I THINK MY POWERBAND BROKE
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03 Feb 2010 21:34 #346353
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I don't have a leak down tester as I said (and I'm poor). I have a manual if I can find it.
What is considered acceptable compression for this engine (KZ750H3)?
What is considered acceptable compression for this engine (KZ750H3)?
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04 Feb 2010 04:02 #346362
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What! I believed in you man! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Oh well, can't be right all the time.
Heck maybe its just time for a teardown.
You can do all the top end real easy, with the engine in the bike.
Pull of valve cover.
Pull out cams.
Take off head.
Lift off block.
Inspect all clearances/bore dimensions/pistons.
Send head + new valve seals off to have valves reground/lapped, head freshened up.
Install new rings.
Drop block back on pistons.
Install new head gasket. Put new head on.
Install cams.
Check then get new shims / set valve lash.
Install valve cover.
Run it.
Retorque it
RIDE IT!
Only a few small easy steps are in between, but for the most part it's fairly straight forward!
Good luck man!
Oh well, can't be right all the time.
Heck maybe its just time for a teardown.
You can do all the top end real easy, with the engine in the bike.
Pull of valve cover.
Pull out cams.
Take off head.
Lift off block.
Inspect all clearances/bore dimensions/pistons.
Send head + new valve seals off to have valves reground/lapped, head freshened up.
Install new rings.
Drop block back on pistons.
Install new head gasket. Put new head on.
Install cams.
Check then get new shims / set valve lash.
Install valve cover.
Run it.
Retorque it
RIDE IT!
Only a few small easy steps are in between, but for the most part it's fairly straight forward!
Good luck man!
Motorcycle Shop Owner/Operator
79 Kawie Z1000 LTD
81 Kawie Z1000 CSR
83 Honda VT750C A
85 Kawie GPZ900 A2
86 Zukie GS1150 EG
93 Yamie XV1100 E
Lucky to have rolled many old bikes through my doors
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04 Feb 2010 04:21 #346364
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1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter
Phoenix, Az
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1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter
Phoenix, Az
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04 Feb 2010 15:34 #346475
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Did the compression test this morning. Worst was #1 which read 110lbs. The best was #4 which read 130lbs. The other two fell at about 120lbs.
Note: ALL cylinders came up about 20lbs. when I squirted some oil in the cylinders before taking a second reading. So, I think it's time for at least a top end rebuild. Anyone agree?
Note: ALL cylinders came up about 20lbs. when I squirted some oil in the cylinders before taking a second reading. So, I think it's time for at least a top end rebuild. Anyone agree?
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04 Feb 2010 15:39 #346478
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81 GS 1100 gone
80 PE400
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when it comes up after putting oil in its pointing to rings
78 Z1R
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