false neutral...damn!

9am53 wrote:

So I been looking at some old threads about a situation that I have. It first happened about a month and a half ago, and has happened twice since then. It is always the same thing, WOT in 4th gear, once I get up there say 7 grand rpm it jumps into a "false neutral" as I have read it called, and redlines.

When new, my KZ 750 did almost the same thing: when I would shift from fourth to fifth, a lot of times I would let the clutch out and it would be in neautral (engine would rev up high). I would then pull the clutch in and pull up on the shifter and it would go into gear with a CRUNCH. I took it back to the dealer and he double talked me because it didn't do it all the time, he just blamed it on me. Eventually, it smoothed out and doesn't do it now.

timebomb33 wrote:

also i noticed in your post that it is only happening a few times not all the time if it was all the time i'd be leaning toward an internal problem since it it isn't happening i'd be looking for an external problem

Ah ha.... I read a little too fast, Always simplest stuff first! :laugh:

Kingston eh! I'm in Niagara, not too far...

This summer sucked!

9am53 wrote:

The splines on the shaft seem good, one thing did look funny though, on the shaft in basically the middle of the splined area there seemed to be a ring worn away all the way around the shaft where the bolt that tightens the lever on is. It looked funny because it was all the way around, I suppose this is so that you can adjust the lever. It looked like it was supposed to be that way so that the bolt could have clearance, but i wasn't sure.

The groove around the shifter shaft is normal. After the lever is pressed onto the shaft, the groove allows the bolt to pass through both holes in the lever, and keeps the lever from being pressed too far or not far enough onto the shaft. If the lever gets loose on the splines, the bolt going through the groove will hold the lever onto the shaft so that a loose lever won't fall off the end of the shaft.

Good Luck!

my god size 16 riding boots that answers everything now doesn't it those things must be long enough you should be able to shift from the passenger pegs.

my 82 kz1000p does the same thing occasionally, usually right after an oil change, but i believe its no more than not kicking the shifter hard enough to get the gears fully engaged, i dont think you have anything serious, i plan on rebushing the shifter pedal soon to see if the issue goes away because there tends to be slop there.

I was thinking missed gear vs. false neutral.

Meaning it never truly engaged into gear.... Neutral is on the other end of the shift drum slot/groove....

Are you actually feeling it shift into gear, then it pops out or are you feeling it slide as far is it goes due to the arms and spring on the shift drum plate....

OMR

I know it is possible to be lazy on shifting and find a midpoint between any two gears on my bike. It's happened several times when I'm just putting along and not concentrating on pulling the shifter all the way up.

My 82 KZ1100 dose that too when i really stick it.
but when i cruse it shifts ok.
but i do have to say its not a dally accurence.

timebomb33 wrote:

also i noticed in your post that it is only happening a few times not all the time if it was all the time i'd be leaning toward an internal problem since it it isn't happening i'd be looking for an external problem

LOL when that happens to me all i have to do is look in the mirror for the cause.

Old Man Rock wrote:

I was thinking missed gear vs. false neutral.

Meaning it never truly engaged into gear.... Neutral is on the other end of the shift drum slot/groove....

Are you actually feeling it shift into gear, then it pops out or are you feeling it slide as far is it goes due to the arms and spring on the shift drum plate....

OMR

Well it feels like I am normally shifting into 4th...hammer the gas (as I have hammered 1st 2nd 3rd) and accelerate, about a second or so later it just jumps out of gear and starts screaming bloody murder at me to let go of the throttle...when I am slamming through the gears like this I am not being particularly careful about shifting and my toes could very well be getting stuck on the stator cover and causing me not to shift all the way. With my workboots I have no room to shift because of the big fat steel toe, so I don't bother putting it in neutral, and upshifting is hard, downshifting I just lift my foot off the footpeg and push down pivotting at my knee, not my ankle. Sionce it never happens during normal riding I think I may have a case of "fat foot mis-shifting-itis" thanks for making me see the err in my ways. Maybe I can learn how to ride my bike now!

not a problem i'd hate to see you tearing apart the bike for no reason

You could do like i do and move the shifter down a little. Roy