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28 Mar 2009 05:45 #276014
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It's almost riding time here in north central Ohio snd while I was checking over the bike ( 78 kz1000 ltd) I did the valve lash and found 3 with .04mm or less but the other 5 were .05mm. Should I replace these and take them to .10mm and let them wear back down to .05mm or leave them alone?
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28 Mar 2009 06:17 #276018
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Lewis
1982 KZ1000-J2
2006 HD FXD35
1970 Suzuki T350
1972 Suzuki GT380 (In-Process)
In The Past...71 TM400, 72 H-D SS350, 72 GT380, 75 Z1B, 77 XLH, 79 CB750K
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You are right at the minimum (or too tight), and according to the guys here, you should shoot for the top end (0.15mm on my 82 1000).
Lewis
1982 KZ1000-J2
2006 HD FXD35
1970 Suzuki T350
1972 Suzuki GT380 (In-Process)
In The Past...71 TM400, 72 H-D SS350, 72 GT380, 75 Z1B, 77 XLH, 79 CB750K
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28 Mar 2009 09:35 #276057
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I always set my own bikes (with stock cams) around 4 thou (0.10MM). I never leave clearance at 2 thou or less (0.05MM). If you have to choose between 3 thou (0.075MM) or 5 thou (0.125mm), go wide...
I keep a mix of use and new shims handy to 'fine-tune' my clearances to get them all 4 intake and all 4 exhaust as close to one another in the set of 4 as possibly. It does make a difference...
I always measure each shim with a micrometer and write the actual readings on the shim with a Sharpie before I stash them in my shim box.
I keep a mix of use and new shims handy to 'fine-tune' my clearances to get them all 4 intake and all 4 exhaust as close to one another in the set of 4 as possibly. It does make a difference...
I always measure each shim with a micrometer and write the actual readings on the shim with a Sharpie before I stash them in my shim box.
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28 Mar 2009 11:46 #276091
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1981 KZ550 D1 gpz.
Kz550 valve train warning.
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Jeff.Saunders wrote:
Same here.
I always measure each shim with a micrometer and write the actual readings on the shim with a Sharpie before I stash them in my shim box.
Same here.
1981 KZ550 D1 gpz.
Kz550 valve train warning.
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28 Mar 2009 12:14 - 28 Mar 2009 12:18 #276098
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ditto all the above: one or two thou wide is no problem, tight can mean a burned valve seat and destroyed head.
The spec on my engine is .002 - .004", I keep them .003" - .005". There is no performance difference I can see going a thou or two wider, but I don't have a dyno.
The gospel back when I built engines to race dinosaurs was that the exhaust valves were the most critical for a tight clearance because they got hotter than intake valves and so would expand and contract more due to temp change. Most of the engines I recall always specified a couple of thousandths wider gap for the exhaust, these days the specs seem to usually be the same (?)
The spec on my engine is .002 - .004", I keep them .003" - .005". There is no performance difference I can see going a thou or two wider, but I don't have a dyno.
The gospel back when I built engines to race dinosaurs was that the exhaust valves were the most critical for a tight clearance because they got hotter than intake valves and so would expand and contract more due to temp change. Most of the engines I recall always specified a couple of thousandths wider gap for the exhaust, these days the specs seem to usually be the same (?)
1979 KZ-750 Twin
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29 Mar 2009 07:47 #276329
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The cover is already off. The season isn't really started yet. May as well finish the job while you're this far along.
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