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31 Jul 2008 07:16 #229333 by odl666
I have a 1978 kz 650 which i have milled the head 25 thous i also have a set of 1984 gpz cams and stock over sized pistons. will i run into any problems with clearence issues being that the pistons i am using are domed? thnaks

1978 kz 650b with gpz faq mods cams carbs polished and ported
1979 gs750e
1972 bsa lightning under construction

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31 Jul 2008 07:30 #229336 by BSKZ650
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I dont think you will have any problems, but nothing like a clay check prior to final assembley to make sure, better safe than sorry

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31 Jul 2008 07:44 #229343 by steell
You didn't say, but you did slot the cam sprockets so you could put the cams back in time after shaving the head, right?

On the clearances issue, same answer as above, except don't even think about assembling it without checking.

KD9JUR

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31 Jul 2008 09:33 #229361 by odl666
Yes i hvae slotted the cam sprockets to adjuct the timing. I have done everything that the gpz faq says to do except for using a 810 kit. I have already assembled the motr but have never ran it. I have used stock kz 650 valves and springs as well as having the head ported and polished and milled 25 thous. the pistons i put in the motor are two over.

i thought by using the same valves it would eliminate a clearance issue from valve to piston. I also felt like the gpz cam springs and the kz 650 valve springs where no different. thanks for any help!

1978 kz 650b with gpz faq mods cams carbs polished and ported
1979 gs750e
1972 bsa lightning under construction

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31 Jul 2008 09:52 #229365 by Old Man Rock
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Steell, "slot the cam sprockets"... Caught my eye, can you explain more on this please...

Reason I ask is I'm updating the KZ900 with .365 CAMs and was wondering if this is something I'm required to accomplish over the stock CAMs.

OMR

1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
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31 Jul 2008 10:27 #229370 by odl666
You can slot the cam sprockets even if you don't mill the head. Even with the new cams or with out them it would be a better upgrade to go head and slot the sprockets. cam chains get stretched throwing off the timing a bit. If you slot the sprockets and redegree the cams you will probably have a lil better performence. the only reason i slotted the sprockets is because i am milling the head to get better mid range from the cams thus making the cam chain longer making m have to change the degree of cams.

1978 kz 650b with gpz faq mods cams carbs polished and ported
1979 gs750e
1972 bsa lightning under construction

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31 Jul 2008 10:59 #229378 by steell
Yep, what he said. :)

The reason for slotting the cam sprocket bolt holes is milling the head moves the cams closer to the block, effectively making the chain longer. The tensioner will take up the slack, but it's on one side while the slack is on both sides, so when it takes up the slack on the far side it rolls the cams toward the tensioner. So you slot the bolt holes to allow you to roll the cams back where they are supposed to be.

I read where someone else on here said the holes should be enlarged (elongated) by 1/3 the diameter of the hole. That makes absolutely no sense to me, elongating the hole by two thirds the amount removed from the head should be more than enough. Mill .030 off the head, make the hole .020 longer should work just fine. I'll know for sure when I assemble my motor, but my calculations say it will be more than sufficient.

KD9JUR

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31 Jul 2008 11:56 #229390 by Old Man Rock
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Interesting...

Anyone have any pictures of the sprockets completed?
Learning curve for us all...

OMR

1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter

Phoenix, Az

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31 Jul 2008 21:52 #229490 by APE Jay
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Just pick up the phone and order a set.

kzzone.com/sprockets.html

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01 Aug 2008 04:32 #229511 by donthekawguy
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APE Jay wrote:



Just pick up the phone and order a set.

kzzone.com/sprockets.html


What he said. It's a lot easier then spendy a day in the garage with a dremmel. :laugh:

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02 Aug 2008 13:16 #229713 by APE Jay
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Actually I just read the first post again, and we don't make a sprocket for the 650.

Jay

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02 Aug 2008 13:25 - 03 Aug 2008 12:21 #229717 by kzr750r1
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I have a set of GPz cams with the stock sprockets slotted. They are buried in the Garage but I'll pull them out and snap a shot.

Just for documenting what is possible. :)

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