Cylinder 2 won't run, valve issue?

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25 Apr 2008 07:11 #208957 by cuds
I checked everything on cylinder 2 so far, the thing still won't run. Carb is clean, getting fuel, and is not clogged, plug is getting nice fat blue spark. I checked the valve clearance on the exhaust valve of number 2, and i COULDN'T even fit a .002" feeler gauge in it. Could this be the problem? I've checked everything else.

Thanks,

-Erik

Erik B
Bay Area, CA

1976 KZ900

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25 Apr 2008 08:00 #208968 by BSKZ650
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yes that is a problem, if you dont have any clearance then you dont have any compression.
get the valves adjusted to the proper spec, and run a compression test.

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25 Apr 2008 09:23 - 25 Apr 2008 09:24 #208990 by bountyhunter
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Don't run it until that valve has clearance. valves run super hot and transfer heat to the head when they close. If the valve doesn't close, two things happen:

1) It can't transfer heat to the metal head

2) Hot gasses blow by since it's still partly open.

That can burn the valve and the valve seat pretty quick and then your head is gone.

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25 Apr 2008 09:27 #208991 by cuds
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What is the spec for exhaust and intake?

Thanks,

-Erik

Erik B
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1976 KZ900

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25 Apr 2008 10:47 #209022 by bountyhunter
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cuds wrote:

What is the spec for exhaust and intake?

Thanks,

-Erik

On mine it's .002 - .004" on both. On some engines, they run the exhaust a shade wider than the intake (I've seen exhaust specs as high as .006" max)

I think if you stay around .003 - .004" you can't go wrong.

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25 Apr 2008 14:05 #209070 by cuds
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I fired the motor up today open header (no muffler). I put my hand where it came out, and sure enough I felt wetness. That is telling me it's fuel. So, I'm goin to guess that this is another clue as to the exhaust valve no closing all the way.

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25 Apr 2008 15:52 #209090 by big mike
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you can run the valves any were betwen .003 to .008 and you will be fine mabe the valve is burnt frome running it this way

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25 Apr 2008 22:12 #209154 by cuds
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I'm going to teat into it tomorrow. I'm going to switch around the shims from cylinder two and see what I can get. Right now, I'm big on the intake a small on the exhaust. I'll post up any questions I have.

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-Erik

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26 Apr 2008 09:32 #209226 by cuds
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I got into it last night. I re-shimmed the intake and exhaust valves, and both are in clearance. I started it up, and what do you know, all 4 cylinders are firing! :banana dance:



BUTTT, now I have a carb problem. As soon as I put gas in, it goes straight out carb #3, which is usually a sign of a stuck float or some sort. I'm going to be working on it all night tonight....hopefully.

It's also running rough, maybe I got the timing off when putting it back together. Is there a way that it would start, even if I was one tooth off? T

Thanks,

-Erik

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26 Apr 2008 10:41 - 26 Apr 2008 10:42 #209239 by Patton
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cuds wrote:

... It's also running rough, maybe I got the timing off when putting it back together. Is there a way that it would start, even if I was one tooth off?....


Here's help regarding the floatbowl overflow --

link 1

link 2

As to the cams --
Typically, over-bucket shims are removed and replaced with the only camshaft involvement being that the camshafts are turned to the correct positon for measuring the clearance at each valve between cam and shim. And without any loosening of the camshaft, and without any changes to location of cam-chain links on the sprockets.

Am thinking the running rough is due to some other reason besides the cam-chain. Maybe carb-synch, pilot adustment, ignition timing, or some other area, needs attention.

Good Luck! :)

1973 Z1
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26 Apr 2008 18:14 #209333 by cuds
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AHhh, AT LAST!


Fires up and runs on all 4. I wish I could be exciting, but I have a loud ticking coming from 2, sounds like the exhaust valve. Any ideas as to what to check? It has run for approximately 1 minute, then I shut it off, just in cast it is a valve hitting the piston...although I doubt it.

Thanks,

-Erik



I'm getting closer, one step at a time!

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26 Apr 2008 21:15 #209363 by Patton
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Possibly an exhaust gasket leaking or valve clearance too large.

Good Luck! :)

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