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03 Feb 2008 10:24 #192567 by EasyRider1
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I have an issue that I has me stumped. My bike will crank up and run but when I try to rev past 5,000 rpms (in any gear)it boggs down. What the hell is going on? Please help me, I just want to ride. It's a kz440 LTD btw.

1978 KZ650C

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03 Feb 2008 10:28 #192569 by The Gringo
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Check to make sure your timing advancer is not frozen.

Andy
Akron, Ohio
80 Z-1 Classic-Sold
84 GPZ1100
79 KZ 1000 LTD
78 KZ 1000 A2
77 KZ 1000 LTD-Sold
76 KZ 900 The definition of a barn find
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03 Feb 2008 10:34 #192570 by EasyRider1
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I'm sure I sound like an idiot but what is that and how can I check it?

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03 Feb 2008 10:49 #192573 by The Gringo
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You don't sound like an idiot at all. Under the point cover on the right side you will find the timing advance unit attached to the right side of the crankshaft. There should be 2 screws holding this cover on. The easiest way to check this is with a timing light. With the engine running and the light hooked up, when you rev the engine you will see the timing mark on the advancer move as the engine gains rpms. If you don't have a light, try to find a buddy to borrow one from or possibly check with autozone (they have a program where they will loan you tools with a deposit). I hesitate to tell you to tear the points plate off and remove the advancer to verify it's condition since that is going to require you to reset the points and timing. Better to verify it first in case it is not stuck and it turns out to be something else.

Andy
Akron, Ohio
80 Z-1 Classic-Sold
84 GPZ1100
79 KZ 1000 LTD
78 KZ 1000 A2
77 KZ 1000 LTD-Sold
76 KZ 900 The definition of a barn find
76 KZ 900-Sold gone to Denmark
KZ 750 times 3, KZ 650 times 8 Sold 1 down to 7
KZ 550 times 2 80 440LTD-Sold
81 CSR 305-Sold 81 Yamaha XS650 Special

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03 Feb 2008 13:35 #192600 by BSKZ650
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in addition to that also check the fuel filter to make sure its clean and not starving for fuel

77 kz650, owned for over 25 years
77 ltd1000, current rider
76 kz900, just waiting
73 z1,, gonna restore this one
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03 Feb 2008 19:06 #192646 by EasyRider1
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BSKZ650 wrote:

in addition to that also check the fuel filter to make sure its clean and not starving for fuel


I must admit, I am still a little perplexed about the timing thing. I am going to check my manual and see if I can borrow a timing light but maybe there are some other things I could check in the meantime (besides the fuel filter, I'll check that too)?

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03 Feb 2008 20:10 #192660 by BSKZ650
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Rather than bum a timing light, I would go ahead and buy one, get a inductive pick up, they are not that expensive, and you will use it several time during the life of the bike or bikes

77 kz650, owned for over 25 years
77 ltd1000, current rider
76 kz900, just waiting
73 z1,, gonna restore this one
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03 Feb 2008 21:05 #192666 by Skyman
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The Gringo wrote:

You don't sound like an idiot at all. Under the point cover on the right side you will find the timing advance unit attached to the right side of the crankshaft. There should be 2 screws holding this cover on. The easiest way to check this is with a timing light. With the engine running and the light hooked up, when you rev the engine you will see the timing mark on the advancer move as the engine gains rpms. If you don't have a light, try to find a buddy to borrow one from or possibly check with autozone (they have a program where they will loan you tools with a deposit). I hesitate to tell you to tear the points plate off and remove the advancer to verify it's condition since that is going to require you to reset the points and timing. Better to verify it first in case it is not stuck and it turns out to be something else.


FYI, the '81 440 has electronic ignition--no points.

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04 Feb 2008 05:51 #192694 by wiredgeorge
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What type of air filters are installed on this bike?

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04 Feb 2008 06:57 #192711 by Link14
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:( I know that bogging sound well. Fought it all last Spring. In my case it turned out to be a torn diaphram in the carb. Once it was replaced it was fine.

The problems never showed up unless I was revving above 4500-5000 rpm's. Wired George could explain better, but I believe that's when the diaphram is supposed to lift the needle and open up the needle jet allowing more fuel to flow in the 1/2-full throttle range.

No lift - no fuel - depressing bogging sound.

Good luck!

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04 Feb 2008 11:07 #192734 by EasyRider1
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I replaced the slightly torn carb diaphraghms with some clean ones that I got off an ebay set of carbs. That helped but it is still bogging down. Since I replaced the diaphraghms it is more responsive and goes up to a higher rpm before bogging and the bogging isn't as intense but still there.

A side note, when you replace the carb diaphraghm are you supposed to lube the sides of the slides?

Post edited by: EasyRider1, at: 2008/02/04 14:08

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04 Feb 2008 12:56 #192747 by Link14
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I don't think so. My kz750's carb's slides were actually stuck together with corrosion. I checked with Wiredgeorge over on his website he said to clean them up with emory cloth (I think). Just tried to search the archive over there to check but the post was gone.

My guess is that the tolerances are so tight that anything that could increase the friction between the slide and the body should be avoided.

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