Offset wrist pins...
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22 Jan 2006 02:28 #19202
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Offset wrist pins... was created by Duck
seem common in auto engines but not bikes.
or is the offset so much less that i've not noticed?
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Post edited by: Duck, at: 2006/01/22 05:42
or is the offset so much less that i've not noticed?
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22 Jan 2006 07:44 #19230
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Just conjecture on my part, but it seems to me like most motorcycle pistons probably do have offset piston pins. otherwise there would not be a front and back to a piston. If a piston must be installed with some kind of mark towards the front, then pin offset is the only reason I can think of for doing that in an engine with symetrical valves and combustion chamber.
If my thinking is wrong, I'm sure someone will correct me
If my thinking is wrong, I'm sure someone will correct me
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22 Jan 2006 08:46 #19238
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the valve reliefs are different from intake to ex(36mm-vs-30mm),that is the reason they have arrows/marks to the front.
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22 Jan 2006 09:44 #19253
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craigpuckett wrote:
Your answer actually made me get off my lazy butt and go out to the (cold) garage and measure a set of new GPz750 pistons to see if that was true (I don't have any 1000 pistons).
The valve reliefs on the GPz750 pistons are the same size, and the piston pin is offset. Same thing applies to the 750 twin (I measured a new set of those while I was there), I don't know that it applies to the 900/1000 pistons though, because I don't have any to measure.
Since I still have my coat on, I may as well go get the 750 twin frame measurements that someone else needed. See what you started! :laugh:
Have you measured the valve reliefs or are you making an assumption based on the different valve sizes?the valve reliefs are different from intake to ex(36mm-vs-30mm),that is the reason they have arrows/marks to the front.
Your answer actually made me get off my lazy butt and go out to the (cold) garage and measure a set of new GPz750 pistons to see if that was true (I don't have any 1000 pistons).
The valve reliefs on the GPz750 pistons are the same size, and the piston pin is offset. Same thing applies to the 750 twin (I measured a new set of those while I was there), I don't know that it applies to the 900/1000 pistons though, because I don't have any to measure.
Since I still have my coat on, I may as well go get the 750 twin frame measurements that someone else needed. See what you started! :laugh:
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22 Jan 2006 17:55 #19338
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Many oem use offset pins ( usually torwards it intake) to lessen piston slap. Somer car racers found out that if the pistons were installed backwards, it made more power because of a more favorable rod angle. They used to due this in some stock classes where the rules stated oem pistons only, but didn't say they had to be installed correctly.
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22 Jan 2006 21:19 #19406
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you are right about the offset Steel on a gpz1100 piston,but they also have different size valve reliefs.
and yes Jay it is to the intake side.
my assumption was based on the valve reliefs :blush: :S
and yes Jay it is to the intake side.
my assumption was based on the valve reliefs :blush: :S
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22 Jan 2006 21:22 #19409
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craigpuckett wrote:
Well, if someone were to give me a GPZ1100 and a big bore kit for it, then I'd know that. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
But at least the person that wanted the KZ750 frame measurements got them :laugh:
Post edited by: steell, at: 2006/01/23 00:23
you are right about the offset Steel on a gpz1100 piston,but they also have different size valve reliefs.
and yes Jay it is to the intake side.
my assumption was based on the valve reliefs :blush: :S
Well, if someone were to give me a GPZ1100 and a big bore kit for it, then I'd know that. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
But at least the person that wanted the KZ750 frame measurements got them :laugh:
Post edited by: steell, at: 2006/01/23 00:23
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