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05 May 2007 09:40 #137304 by hwms
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Duck wrote:

75 inch lbs is a gallon of milk on the end of a 9" wrench.
Make sure the threads are clear over the engagement length.
-Duck


Note:
Duck has said 9" wrench and not 12"

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05 May 2007 10:00 #137311 by Sandy
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BSKZ650 wrote:

I would not try to use a foot lbs wrench when it calls for inch lbs, they are not that accurate at the bottom of the setting scale, at least mine are not



What HE said.
Borrow(or buy and get bitched at)a proper INCH-pound torque wrench.
A foot-pound wrench is bigger,and won't have the same "Feel" in Your hands,as opposed to a 1/4 inch drive,inch-pound wrench.
We're talking small(light) torques here,and if You're using a 3/8's-drive(or even bigger) FOOT-pound wrench...it's just not the same...the accuracy isn't there...You'll assume that because You're using a bigger wrench,that it HAS to be tight(er)...and oh so often...with the leverage of a longer(and heavier) wrench..."Snap!":ohmy: :pinch:(do a search for,"Oh crap...snapped a bolt!)
Sure...the range(stated in manuals) is usually within 5-10 inch pounds,but still... inch-pound torques are listed in INCH-pounds for a reason.
The more You play with torque settings...the more You'll get the "Feel" of the torque...(using the proper wrench),and eventually,Your brain will get trained...and You'll just know.;)
Brute force is one thing,if You're an Elephant-Trainer(or a Porn-Star):lol: ...heh heh heh...BUT...uhhh...what were We talkin about here?...oh YA...SIZE!...:blush:

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05 May 2007 10:41 #137317 by wireman
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wireman wrote:

i could be wrong but last i heard a gallon of water was closer to 8 lbs than 6;)


Isn't Google wonderful???

Weight of One Gallon (U.S.) of Water, Gasoline, and Ethanol

* 1 gallon of water equals 8.33 lbs.
* 1 gallon of gasoline equals 5.8 to 6.5 lbs.
* 1 gallon of ethanol equals 6.59 lbs.

One gallon of regular beer equals 7.25 lbs, light beer 6.78 lbs.

I put that in just to see if anyone noticed:)


Source: U.S. Dept. of Energy. Fuel From Farms: a Guide to Small Scale Ethanol Production. May 1980. Page D-3.

Cheers - Colin Firth-Ontario Canada

i think a gallon of water in louisville is gonna be closer to 9 lbs with all the iron in it!:P

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05 May 2007 11:50 #137328 by Duck
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wireman wrote:

i could be wrong but last i heard a gallon of water was closer to 8 lbs than 6;)


It's a 9 inch wrench! 9 inch = 3/4 foot.

8lb * 3/4 foot = 24/4 foot-lbs = 6 foot-lbs = 72 inch-lbs

A pint is a pound the world around...

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05 May 2007 11:58 #137332 by Duck
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OKC_Kent wrote:

Duck wrote:

75 inch lbs is a gallon of milk on the end of a 9" wrench.
Make sure the threads are clear over the engagement length.
-Duck


I'd love to see you work on your bike Duck!:woohoo:


It's pretty boring until I get into the 4th pint. Today I've been sanding gouges out of the inside of my 1000A1 rims. If air still leaks, it's on to tubes. Should have looked before putting the new bearings in :-). Back to work.
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05 May 2007 12:04 #137334 by mark1122
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Yeh. What they saidB)

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05 May 2007 12:30 #137337 by KaZooCruiser
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I have a 1/4" SK clicker. I don't think it works. Anyone here have any ideas on what I can do, besides throw it away?

Is there any thing that can be done to repair them that isn't as expensive as buying a new one?

I am going to try the gallon test in a couple spots on the wrench.

Thanks in advance. Great information falls out of the sky from this site.

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06 May 2007 12:37 #137602 by Duck
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Your 1/4 inch clicker...
Check the calibration at about 20, 50, and 70 percent settings. If it's off by about the same amount in the same direction and repeatable, you can adjust the reading to match the torque and go back to using it. If it's off by grossly different mounts or not consistant, it's a 1/4" breaker bar :-)

You can bend a bolt and clamp it in a vise and set the wrench handle out perpendicular to gravity. Use a known weight on a string. Weight times distance from center of rotation will be applied torque. String needs to be square to the wrench for most accurate measurement.

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07 May 2007 08:55 #137880 by KaZooCruiser
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Since the questions were answered earlier in the thread about torque and etc., I don't think this is a highjack.
:P

I found out a couple things while trying to figure out why my "Proto," not "SK" 1/4" clicker would not click.

After hours, and I mean hours. . .

Disassembly. . .reassembly. . .attempt after attempt.

Figured out that the wrench was set up as an anti-clockwise torque setter.

Two screws hold the head asseembly together. The rachet part of the head was reversed. Anyone have any idea what that kind of machinery would be set up that way?

I got the wrench cheap at the pawn shop. Now I know why.

It works as a righty-tighty clicker now.

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Post edited by: KaZooCruiser, at: 2007/05/07 13:00

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07 May 2007 13:10 #137950 by BSKZ650
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my guess is that someone replaced the rachet and put it in wrong

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