KZ1100 - Andrews Cams - No timing marks??

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11 Mar 2007 07:54 #119181 by FloridaBiker
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1982 KZ1100 shaft.
I started to check my valve clearances, and the only marks I can find on the camshaft sprockets are:

ANDREWS EXH
and
ANDREWS INT

Does anyone know anything about these cams, or how to check if the cam timing is correct?

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11 Mar 2007 08:02 #119184 by APE Jay
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It is an adaptor sprocket and they made them with no marks.

Jay

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11 Mar 2007 08:06 #119185 by FloridaBiker
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Any suggestions on technique to check my cam timing is correct?

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11 Mar 2007 17:15 #119293 by steell
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FloridaBiker wrote:

Any suggestions on technique to check my cam timing is correct?


The cam specs, a dial indicator, and a lot of patience. Or just order a new set of adapter sprockets from APE (they have marks).

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11 Mar 2007 20:38 #119359 by FloridaBiker
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I am comfortable with the tools.

I don't know any history on this engine.

A sharp bike mechanic told me he thinks it has a big bore kit and that the Andrews cams are probably more pure race than street.

I hope not.

Anyway, since I don't know where to time the cams (no marks or instructions that I am aware of) am I in the realm of trial and error?

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11 Mar 2007 21:50 #119394 by APE Jay
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What is the number of the Andrews cam?

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12 Mar 2007 05:52 #119442 by FloridaBiker
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APE Jay wrote:

What is the number of the Andrews cam?

Jay


On the intake cam;
At the timing sprocket:
ANDREWS INT
on the cam (visible from above the engine):
5L R

On the exhaust cam;
At the timing sprocket:
ANDREWS EXH
on the cam (visible from above the engine):
3L R

I can find no other marks except:

* 1 tiny dot on each cam sprocket. It could be construed as a timing mark, but referenced to what?

*2 At the left side at the end of both cams are 4 indexed marks at 90 degree separation.

*3 On the right side at the end of both cams are square notches about 3/16"

Drawings attached. (I got poor picture quality when I tried to take a digital closeup)

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12 Mar 2007 06:49 #119450 by outlawz1
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The number should be stamped on the end of the cam and have an X in it if they are andrews. Like 2X 3X etc.

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12 Mar 2007 10:21 #119494 by FloridaBiker
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There is definitely no other number stamped on the end of the cams.
Could it be the 3L and 5R I found on the side of the cams?

The exhaust cam has a worm drive gear that is not in use, between the sprocket and #3 exhaust lobe. Could that be for a tachometer on some other model?

Also there is no double stripe marking on the cam, like the factory 1100 cams.

Could it be a Andrews sprocket and some other cam?

Any ideas appreciated.

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12 Mar 2007 13:44 #119551 by FloridaBiker
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Bump.
Thanks.

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13 Mar 2007 01:16 #119704 by APE Jay
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If it doesn't have the X number, then they are not Andrews. Only the sprockets are.

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13 Mar 2007 07:51 #119757 by outlawz1
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Do they have the little notches on one end like your showing in your diagram? If so they are stock z1/kz1000 cams. If you could measure the lift you would know for sure.

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