RPM vs. Speed. What do you get.

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14 Nov 2009 12:26 - 14 Nov 2009 16:13 #333646 by otakar
RPM vs. Speed. What do you get. was created by otakar
I just went on a cruise and decided to pay a bit closer attention to the revs at speed. this is what my GPz1150 is getting. Mind you the gearing is not stock and will change again in the spring for a higher top end.

3K = 49Mph
4K = 65Mph
5K = 81Mph

This equals 16Mph per 1K in RPM. this test was done with a GPS along with the spedo. The spedo turns out to be quite accurate.

74 Z1-A stock
76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
81 Scratch built GPz1150R
82 KZ1000
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14 Nov 2009 14:54 #333665 by ccvt98
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i have aa 80 kz750 ltd mine is:

3k = 40mph
4k = 50 mph
5k = 61mph
6k = 72mph

my stock gearing is 13/32

but according to www.gearingcommander.com/

website it should be different, so ,i think i may have a 12 tooth in front.

1980 KZ750H1 LTD *restored*Feb '09
1982 KZ1100A2 Shaft *in process of resto*
1982 KZ750 Almost Completed
2001 Honda XR100 "son's"
2010 Kaw Z1000

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14 Nov 2009 16:47 #333694 by otakar
Replied by otakar on topic RPM vs. Speed. What do you get.
My final gear ratio at the moment is 38/15 (1:2.53) and stock was 41/15 (1:2.73) I will be converting to a 530 from the original 630 chain and going with a ratio of 17/40 (1:2.35)

74 Z1-A stock
76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
81 Scratch built GPz1150R
82 KZ1000

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16 Nov 2009 07:45 #334063 by KZQ
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With stock sprockets ( 35/15 ) I see 80 MPH indicated at 5K RPM. This on my KZ900.
Bill

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1968 BSA 441 Shooting Star, 1970 BSA 650 Lightning, 1974 W3, 1976 KZ900, 1979 KZ750 Twin, 1979 KZ750 Twin Trike, 1981 KZ1300, 1982 KZ1100 Spectre, 2000 Valkyrie, 2009 Yamaha Roadliner S. 1983 GL 1100
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19 Nov 2009 00:11 #334563 by KYKZ1100
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I thought my KZ1100 shaft was turning over too fast on the highway but now I don't feel so bad. Using the GPS it goes:
3k = 45 mph
4k = 60 mph
5k = 75 mph

The Cycle World road test in 1981 showed 3640 rpm at 60 mph and the Motorcyclist test showed 3569 at 60. I don't know why mine is turning faster unless it's the tires (Kenda Challengers) on mine. Is there anything else that could affect it?

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19 Nov 2009 04:04 #334570 by otakar
Replied by otakar on topic RPM vs. Speed. What do you get.
Only the front tire can affect it. I would check the variation difference between the GPS and your speedometer. I fiddled with mine until I got it with in 2% on the Odometer and right on the money on the Speedometer. This is all, using the GPS for calibration.

74 Z1-A stock
76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
81 Scratch built GPz1150R
82 KZ1000

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19 Nov 2009 05:58 - 19 Nov 2009 05:58 #334585 by Bluemeanie
Replied by Bluemeanie on topic RPM vs. Speed. What do you get.
otakar wrote:

Only the front tire can affect it. I would check the variation difference between the GPS and your speedometer. I fiddled with mine until I got it with in 2% on the Odometer and right on the money on the Speedometer. This is all, using the GPS for calibration.


My spedo is off (found out with my GPS). How did you "fiddle" with it? What adjustments are you talking about? :blink:

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19 Nov 2009 06:14 - 19 Nov 2009 06:16 #334587 by otakar
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Bluemeanie wrote:

otakar wrote:

Only the front tire can affect it. I would check the variation difference between the GPS and your speedometer. I fiddled with mine until I got it with in 2% on the Odometer and right on the money on the Speedometer. This is all, using the GPS for calibration.


My spedo is off (found out with my GPS). How did you "fiddle" with it? What adjustments are you talking about? :blink:

The simplest way is by picking the correct size front tire. Otherwise Kawasaki makes different size/pitch gears for the spedo drive unit. I am not sure how custom your bike is, and if you have a stock size front wheel or tire. I did it by disassembling the spedo and changing some gears and the return spring tension, but that is a He** of a lot of work. Still the best way is to put a larger os smaller front tire on the bike dependent on which way you have to go.

74 Z1-A stock
76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
81 Scratch built GPz1150R
82 KZ1000
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19 Nov 2009 08:05 #334609 by hoghaterkaw
Replied by hoghaterkaw on topic RPM vs. Speed. What do you get.
i would like to add that the rolling diameter of the rear tire does affect top speed. a larger rolling diameter tire will travel a greater distance than a smaller rolling diameter tire at the same RPM. so the larger rear tire will give a higher MPH.

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19 Nov 2009 08:41 #334615 by otakar
Replied by otakar on topic RPM vs. Speed. What do you get.
Yes rear wheel size and sprocket size will affect top speed, provided that you have the torque to turn it. It however will not affect the indicated speedometer speed.

74 Z1-A stock
76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
81 Scratch built GPz1150R
82 KZ1000

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19 Nov 2009 10:02 #334623 by Old Man Rock
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My build... Modified KZ900 15/37 sprockets... 17" tires.

65mph @ 4500rpms...

1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter

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19 Nov 2009 10:56 #334629 by WABBMW
Replied by WABBMW on topic RPM vs. Speed. What do you get.
My '82 KZ650 CSR had stock gearing of (33/13)= 2.54, with 630 chain.

Using a GPS for indicated speed:

60 MPH - 4,950 RPM

I changed the front sprocket to a 14 tooth. (33/14) = 2.36 This yielded:

60 MPH - 4,600.

Even with the 650, it has plenty of torque to run at most any speed. A larger engine, such as a 1000 could probably handle a 2.2 ratio if highway cruising is the goal.

Bill Baker
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1982 KZ650 CSR
2008 Yamaha FZ1
2006 Yamaha FZ1
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