- Posts: 15344
- Thank you received: 2829
KZ or not KZ
- 650ed
- Topic Author
- Offline
- User
Less
More
29 Apr 2009 13:37 #286254
by 650ed
1977 KZ650-C1 Original Owner - Stock (with additional invisible FIAMM horn)
KZ or not KZ was created by 650ed
Philosophical question:
At what point of modification does a KZ cease being a KZ? Obviously, a tiny little change such as a Halogen sealed beam in place of the stock bulb wouldn’t tip the scales, but if, for example, the frame, swingarm, forks, brakes, bodywork, electrics, etc. were all changed and the engine had aftermarket cylinders, carbs, cams, etc.; would it still be considered a KZ?
At what point of modification does a KZ cease being a KZ? Obviously, a tiny little change such as a Halogen sealed beam in place of the stock bulb wouldn’t tip the scales, but if, for example, the frame, swingarm, forks, brakes, bodywork, electrics, etc. were all changed and the engine had aftermarket cylinders, carbs, cams, etc.; would it still be considered a KZ?
1977 KZ650-C1 Original Owner - Stock (with additional invisible FIAMM horn)
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- lapeerray
- Offline
- User
Less
More
- Posts: 187
- Thank you received: 0
29 Apr 2009 14:01 #286262
by lapeerray
78kz650b2, 2009 kawasaki 25 hp Oturn John Deere with a 62" cut I had to have it. It was green and was powered by KAWI...,78 yamaha golfcar, Gone but not forgoten 82 v65 magna, 89 1200 Vmax, 72 GS380GT mint with 2000m.grandfather baught brand new in 72
Replied by lapeerray on topic KZ or not KZ
Will your title still say kz?....
78kz650b2, 2009 kawasaki 25 hp Oturn John Deere with a 62" cut I had to have it. It was green and was powered by KAWI...,78 yamaha golfcar, Gone but not forgoten 82 v65 magna, 89 1200 Vmax, 72 GS380GT mint with 2000m.grandfather baught brand new in 72
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- anarki650
- Offline
- User
Less
More
- Posts: 683
- Thank you received: 5
29 Apr 2009 14:09 #286266
by anarki650
09 Kawasaki ER6n
77 kz650b1 cafe rebirth project
"Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube, that's why God made fast motorcycles..."
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
Omaha NE
Replied by anarki650 on topic KZ or not KZ
It'll still sound like a KZ and run like a KZ (on steroids) so my opinion is still 100% KZ goodness.
09 Kawasaki ER6n
77 kz650b1 cafe rebirth project
"Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube, that's why God made fast motorcycles..."
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
Omaha NE
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- JMKZHI
- Offline
- Platinum Member
Less
More
- Posts: 2429
- Thank you received: 48
29 Apr 2009 14:10 #286267
by JMKZHI
Replied by JMKZHI on topic KZ or not KZ
Well, as long as it's got the Kawasaki engine, it'll always be a KZ - I guess.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- 531blackbanshee
- Offline
- Vendor
Less
More
- Posts: 7447
- Thank you received: 797
29 Apr 2009 14:22 #286272
by 531blackbanshee
skiatook,oklahoma 1980 z1r,1978 kz 1000 z1r x 3,
1976 kz 900 x 3
i make what i can,and save the rest!
billybiltit.blogspot.com/
www.kzrider.com/forum/5-chassis/325862-triple-tree-custom-work
kzrider.com/forum/5-chassis/294594-frame-bracing?limitstart=0
Replied by 531blackbanshee on topic KZ or not KZ
if it is still a kz configured engine then i will be calling it a kz,maybe with some monicker in front of or behind the kz.such as "1 bad a$$ed kz"or whetever.:laugh:
leon holmes
leon holmes
skiatook,oklahoma 1980 z1r,1978 kz 1000 z1r x 3,
1976 kz 900 x 3
i make what i can,and save the rest!
billybiltit.blogspot.com/
www.kzrider.com/forum/5-chassis/325862-triple-tree-custom-work
kzrider.com/forum/5-chassis/294594-frame-bracing?limitstart=0
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- Tyler
- Offline
- User
Less
More
- Posts: 845
- Thank you received: 92
29 Apr 2009 14:33 - 29 Apr 2009 14:34 #286275
by Tyler
If I knew what I was doing all the time life wouldn't be any fun.
'80 KZ650 E 700cc, dyna ignition and coils, frame up restoration, daily driver
'81 KZ1300 A3 full restoration, custom big bore pistons, 1400cc 6 cylinder super bike
"77 KZ650 B1 - Barn Find, work in progeress
"74 Yamaha DT 400 Enduro
Replied by Tyler on topic KZ or not KZ
Hmmm lets see...
If you made a titanium frame and bolted in a 400 cubic inch alcohol powered big block. Its still a KZ as long as one part of the orginal bike is still present. There is more soul in one screw of a Kawasaki than any other entire motorcycle. SO there thats my answer...
By the same logic if used one screw form one of my KZ's to put something together on my Mustang it is no longer a Mustang GT, I guess it would have to be a KZ4600GT...
So that is a little extreme but I still stand by my answer. One screw is all it take to make a KZ a KZ!
If you made a titanium frame and bolted in a 400 cubic inch alcohol powered big block. Its still a KZ as long as one part of the orginal bike is still present. There is more soul in one screw of a Kawasaki than any other entire motorcycle. SO there thats my answer...
By the same logic if used one screw form one of my KZ's to put something together on my Mustang it is no longer a Mustang GT, I guess it would have to be a KZ4600GT...
So that is a little extreme but I still stand by my answer. One screw is all it take to make a KZ a KZ!
If I knew what I was doing all the time life wouldn't be any fun.
'80 KZ650 E 700cc, dyna ignition and coils, frame up restoration, daily driver
'81 KZ1300 A3 full restoration, custom big bore pistons, 1400cc 6 cylinder super bike
"77 KZ650 B1 - Barn Find, work in progeress
"74 Yamaha DT 400 Enduro
Last edit: 29 Apr 2009 14:34 by Tyler.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- kaw74z1
- Offline
- User
- 0 to 60 in 15 minutes.
Less
More
- Posts: 115
- Thank you received: 0
29 Apr 2009 15:46 #286324
by kaw74z1
1974 Z1 with a MKII And a 1105 big bore kit 10.5 to 1 comp. Andrews 2x cams ported head dyna s with green coils V&H sidewinder pipe airshifter 4in.over arm
Replied by kaw74z1 on topic KZ or not KZ
Will your title still say kz? ....Sounds correct to me
1974 Z1 with a MKII And a 1105 big bore kit 10.5 to 1 comp. Andrews 2x cams ported head dyna s with green coils V&H sidewinder pipe airshifter 4in.over arm
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- SheffieldSteel
- Offline
- User
- KZ750E 1981
Less
More
- Posts: 46
- Thank you received: 0
29 Apr 2009 15:52 #286326
by SheffieldSteel
My bike is a 1981 KZ750E with Honda VFR400 NC30 single sided swingarm and Aprilia RS125GP rear subframe and seat pods, engine in more pieces than my mind
Replied by SheffieldSteel on topic KZ or not KZ
My KZ so far has an aprilia rear end and a Honda swingarm. Soon it will have different front forks, but, it will still be a KZ, just a KZ750EAH?
My bike is a 1981 KZ750E with Honda VFR400 NC30 single sided swingarm and Aprilia RS125GP rear subframe and seat pods, engine in more pieces than my mind
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- 650ed
- Topic Author
- Offline
- User
Less
More
- Posts: 15344
- Thank you received: 2829
29 Apr 2009 16:22 #286331
by 650ed
1977 KZ650-C1 Original Owner - Stock (with additional invisible FIAMM horn)
Replied by 650ed on topic KZ or not KZ
"Will your title still say kz?"
I meant the question from a philosophical perspective rather than legal.
From a legal perspective the VIN that is stamped in the steering neck is used to determine what the MVA will put on the title (at least in MD). So if you put a KZ1300 engine in a Jawa frame the folks at MVA would call it a Jawa :laugh:
I meant the question from a philosophical perspective rather than legal.
From a legal perspective the VIN that is stamped in the steering neck is used to determine what the MVA will put on the title (at least in MD). So if you put a KZ1300 engine in a Jawa frame the folks at MVA would call it a Jawa :laugh:
1977 KZ650-C1 Original Owner - Stock (with additional invisible FIAMM horn)
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- cruspeed
- Offline
- User
30 Apr 2009 05:55 #286474
by cruspeed
78 KZ1000 project X 2
Replied by cruspeed on topic KZ or not KZ
Here in NC the only way to change a title year/make/model is from rebuilding a salvaged vehicle with or with out a title and that is a long crappy process or completly build one from scratch. You're supposed to notify the DMV if you change engines so they have your new engine serial numbers or frame serial number for vehicle tracking if it gets stolen. Then you will get a new VIN number to stamp on your bike and a new title but will still state the original year bike.
I've made a few trikes from VW's, saturn and a kawasaki T-rex type I'm working on now plus 2 cars and I've found the best way to deal with it is just lie to the dmv and keep your title and get a vehicle tracking system like onstar.
I've made a few trikes from VW's, saturn and a kawasaki T-rex type I'm working on now plus 2 cars and I've found the best way to deal with it is just lie to the dmv and keep your title and get a vehicle tracking system like onstar.
78 KZ1000 project X 2
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- timebomb33
- Offline
- User
Less
More
- Posts: 4288
- Thank you received: 10
30 Apr 2009 05:59 #286476
by timebomb33
1973 z1 2-1974z1-a,2-1975z1-b dragbikes1015cc+1393cc, 1977kz1000,1978kz1000,1981kz1000j, 1997 zx-11, 2000 z12r,1428turbo nitrous pro-mod and a shit load of parts thats all for now leader sask.,CANADA
I THINK MY POWERBAND BROKE
Replied by timebomb33 on topic KZ or not KZ
if all that has been changed like a couple of my bikes have been or if you live north of the 48th parralel then they are called the mighty KZed
1973 z1 2-1974z1-a,2-1975z1-b dragbikes1015cc+1393cc, 1977kz1000,1978kz1000,1981kz1000j, 1997 zx-11, 2000 z12r,1428turbo nitrous pro-mod and a shit load of parts thats all for now leader sask.,CANADA
I THINK MY POWERBAND BROKE
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- KawiConvert
- Offline
- User
Less
More
- Posts: 757
- Thank you received: 4
30 Apr 2009 07:18 #286499
by KawiConvert
1978 KZ650 D1 ~ Carb jetting: 107.5 & 20 & 4th groove with pods and 4-1 Exhaust
Replied by KawiConvert on topic KZ or not KZ
In theory the second you remove a stock kz part and replace it with a non-kz part it ceases to be a kz despite the majority contribution of the other kz parts. This would be the purists view.
In the view that kz's were designed and built to perform, any modification that improves the handling or power of the kz is within the original intent of the design as set forth by the gods of Kawasaki. So long as the motorcycle remains street legal in all 50 states and the title still says kz and the modifications improve handling or performance then its a kz.
However, if a SOHC motor is swapped in, the bike ceases to retain its kz status and is then designated as an oop-z
In the view that kz's were designed and built to perform, any modification that improves the handling or power of the kz is within the original intent of the design as set forth by the gods of Kawasaki. So long as the motorcycle remains street legal in all 50 states and the title still says kz and the modifications improve handling or performance then its a kz.
However, if a SOHC motor is swapped in, the bike ceases to retain its kz status and is then designated as an oop-z
1978 KZ650 D1 ~ Carb jetting: 107.5 & 20 & 4th groove with pods and 4-1 Exhaust
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.