The rusty hulk

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Re: The rusty hulk

19 Jun 2020 10:01
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Needle od is correct .099"
Jet needle .105" (perhaps .107")
Main jet is correct .044"
Cylinder #1 way to rich, suspected plunger, not sure now, something not right.

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Re: The rusty hulk

20 Jun 2020 06:27
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Mmmm.... brain fart talking about the '75 carbs.

Assuming correct fuel level, swap plungers & see if the problem follows the plunger.

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Re: The rusty hulk

20 Jun 2020 07:07
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I swapped plungers, #1 stayed very rich.
Disassembled carb #1 and measured parts with rods and micrometer.
Needle jet is .117" (.002" over size) other parts correct size.
I disassembled two more carbs this morning, needle jets are .115"
Hard to believe .002" has the effect I see.

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Re: The rusty hulk

21 Jun 2020 19:54
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Yeah, .002 doesn't sound like enough to richen the mix by much. Of one was a real glutton for punishment, needle jets could be pressed out of another carb & swapped.

Voltage drop (usually through the ignition switch) at the coil primary can cause plug fouling, but that should manifest on all plugs. Is full battery voltage available at the coil primaries?

This might be a longshot, and will only work if you have the OEM clear tube fuel level tool or something similar for early Z1 carbs with the 17mm plugs:
With the carbs on the engine, install the tube tool on the suspect carb & secure the tube such that it can be easily seen & won't dump fuel. Start the bike & observe if vibration causes fuel level to rise above spec. If so, needle valve and/or seat might be suspect. Otherwise, we got nuthin' :huh: .

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Re: The rusty hulk

22 Jun 2020 05:23
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Needle jets will wear over time due to the action of the needle on the downstream side of the jet. (It rubs.) This is a recommended check point in the Kawasaki carburetor training manual. It's one of the few wear parts in the carbs, and yes, a 0.002" gap will make a hell of a difference to fuel flow.

What about the needle? Is it a 5J9? It's important that the correct needle is used to provide the correct fuel flow. Maybe someone changed out that needle and replaced with something else?
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Re: The rusty hulk

22 Jun 2020 07:20
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One of my 2 strokes had an issue running rich, like hardrockminer said, the needle jet was worn. From research, they wear oval. Not a replacement part for me so I had to buy a new carb.
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Re: The rusty hulk

23 Jun 2020 04:25
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Thanks for the comments.
#1 plug is tan with spare carb.
Currently have air screw at 2.5 turns out to lean mix, still very rich.
Ordered some needle jets, will report when they arrive.
I've owned ten of these, never seen this before.

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Re: The rusty hulk

29 Sep 2020 04:43
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The rusty hulk, version 2020

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Re: The rusty hulk

29 Sep 2020 11:17
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Hang on and don’t blink. The last one was over quickly.:woohoo:
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Re: The rusty hulk

30 Sep 2020 08:38 - 30 Sep 2020 08:40
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>>> "Hang on and don’t blink. The last one was over quickly"
Working on Z1, H1, H2 at same time.
Wow, what a pile of parts !
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Re: The rusty hulk

30 Sep 2020 08:39
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Re: The rusty hulk

16 Oct 2020 14:16
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Anyone seen this ?

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