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13 Sep 2015 12:36 #689896 by Timfields45
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650ed wrote: Here are some tips that you may find helpful. If nothing else please take a look at the TOOLS and MOTOR OIL sections.

Many newbies and not so newbies run into or issues with their bikes which could be easily avoided with a little preparation or information. Here are a couple recommendations that I hope you will find useful.

Before riding your KZ you should take a little time to become familiar with it. Simple things like checking the oil, tire pressures, etc. are explained in the Kawasaki Owner's Manual. If you bike didn't come with one (they normally are in a little holder on the bottom of the seat) you can usually find one on eBay - be sure to get one for your exact year/model.


MANUAL

You really should consider buying the Kawasaki Factory Service Manual for your bike. The factory service manual provides instructions on the various maintenance procedures and schedules for your bike, procedures for diagnosing problems, proper torque values for the various fasteners (VERY IMPORTANT), and insight into how each system on your bike works even if you are not repairing that system. Studying the manual before you attempt performing service on your bike will impart an understanding of the system you are working on which will increase the odds of success.

The manuals usually are readily available for most models on eBay and other sources; but be sure to get one that has your specific year and model in it as there are differences between the various KZ650 models. I do not recommend Clymers, Haynes, or other aftermarket manuals as I have seen instances where they provide inaccurate advice. You may decide to use those to supplement the factory manual, but in my opinion they are not a suitable substitute. If you have trouble finding one for your model ask us to help.


TOOLS

WARNING! Do not even try to use Phillips screwdrivers on the Kawasaki cross head screws. Despite their appearance they are not Phillips screws. They are Japanese Industrial Standard (JIS) screws. The tips of Phillips screwdrivers are too long & pointed to allow the 4 blades of the screwdriver to properly engage the screws, so when you apply force the screw head slots will deform and look like crap. The fact is that Phillips screws were deliberately designed to have the screwdriver bit "cam out." This was done to prevent production line assembly from over-tightening, stripping, or breaking the screws. JIS screws do not have this problem. A proper fitting JIS bit can tighten a JIS screw to and beyond the torque spec without camming out. Here's the good news - you can easily modify standard Phillips screwdriver tips to fit the JIS screws.

I have ground down the tips of DeWalt #2 and DeWalt #3 Phillips to make them fit JIS screws. The large crosshead screws on the cases take modified #3 bits (or genuine #3 JIS bits). To modify the DeWalt bits you need to grind the very tip a little, then test fit, then grind a little more and test fit, etc. until the bit no longer "rocks" back and forth in the screwhead. Picture 1 below shows how a DeWalt #3 bit fits the case screws of my KZ650 after being ground properly. The #2 DeWalt bits can be modified the same way to fit smaller JIS screws. Pictures 2 and 3 below shows DeWalt #2 and #3 modified bits.

I did find a place that sells authentic JIS bits. They don't list the #3 bit, but if you contact them they can provide the #3 JIS bits even though they are not listed on the website. These folks were very easy to work with, and the authentic bits do work great. Here's their site:

www.rjrcooltools.com/shop_item_detail.cfm?subcat_ID=89

Pictures 4 & 5 below show a comparison between my home made modified bits with the authentic JIS bits.

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Before reaching for that wrench or ratchet consider the following. The bolts are steel, but your engine and front forks are aluminum. The bolts are much tougher than the aluminum and if over tightened will strip the aluminum threads. Although these can be repaired, preventing damage by applying proper torque will save you grief, time, and money. Tightening fasteners properly requires torque wrenches. Various vendors, including Snap-on, CDI, Sears, etc., market torque wrenches. The two most popular types are the bar type and micrometer type. Either will work, but the micrometer type is a bit easier to use, especially if you are tightening several fasteners with the same torque - such as cylinder head covers. You will need a torque wrench calibrated in INCH POUNDS for many of the bolts. You will also need a torque wrench calibrated in FOOT POUNDS for the larger bolts. Don't try to use the foot pounds wrench on the smaller bolts as it will not be sensitive enough at low torque settings to provide accurate torque. There are many fasteners that require low torque. These include such things as 6mm oil pan bolts, cylinder head cover bolts, etc. for which the torque in 61-78 inch pounds. These low torque bolts require a wrench that is accurate at low settings and this wrench should be graduated in inch pounds. In addition, there are numerous high torque fasteners such as the front axle nuts (51 - 65 foot pounds) or swing arm pivot shaft nuts (58 - 87 foot pounds). These require a wrench that is accurate at higher settings; this wrench should be graduated in foot pounds. Using the proper torque wrenches to correctly tighten fasteners will help prevent damage and contribute to a safe bike. The Kawasaki Service Manual will list the various torque specs for the bolts. I suggest you get the manual before buying the torque wrenches so you can decide which wrenches best meet the torque specs.

Consider buying a can of Kroil penetrating oil and use it to soak stubborn fasteners for a couple days before trying to loosen them. Remember, the original screws and bolts were installed on your bike when Jimmy Carter was President, so many of them may be hard to remove. Kroil can be bought online, at guns shows, and at some other venues.


MOTOR OIL
The ingredients in oils have changed over the years. For example, today's Castrol GTX oil (and pretty much all other AUTOMOBILE oil) is not the same as it was in the 1980's. Back then it worked great in KZ bikes. But, things have changed. Early AUTOMOBILE oils contained zinc phosphorus compounds (ZDDP) to protect engine components from metal to metal contact. This was good for engines, but it was found to be destructive to catalytic converters. Consequently, in AUTOMOBILE oils ZDDP was virtually eliminated and replaced with different chemistry generically referred to as "Friction Modifiers." These work fine and offer good protection for normal AUTOMOBILE engines. However, today's AUTOMOBILE oil "Friction Modifiers" are destructive to wet clutches. KZ bikes (and many other brands) have wet clutches. As a result of these oil chemistry changes a distinction needed to be made between those oils which are suitable for wet clutches and those which are not. That distinction was documented by the Japanese Engine Oil Standards Implementation Panel (JASO). JASO developed a number of different oil specifications for different applications. The specifications that apply to 4 stroke motorcycles fall under the "4T Specifications." Within the 4T specifications the JASO MA class oils are specifically formulated for 4 stroke motorcycles with wet clutches.

There are synthetic, semi-synthetic, and non-synthetic oils that meet the JASO-MA standard and any of them will work ok. However, using oils that are not designated as meeting the JASO-MA standard is destructive to KZ clutches.

Good luck with your bike. Ed

Thanks Ed, that is a wealth of information!

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14 Sep 2015 05:57 #689995 by KZCafeChickNJ
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Timfields45 wrote: As for the crowd at the Chatterbox... I have never experienced anything negative there. I ride with a bunch of Harley riders who are very good friends of mine. Our group could care less what you ride as long as it has 2 wheels! There is a huge turn out of metric bikes there all the time...


In that case, count us in for the spring. Can't wait! The only reason I mentioned the Harley crowd is that we've had a couple bad/awkward experiences with Harley folks in the past, but if everyone's cool, we're cool too. :-) I just wanna ride..

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14 Sep 2015 06:08 #689999 by SWest
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Me too. It's not easy to not be jaded by a few morons riding in a pack. I never understood the need for it. I busted a long neck Coors bottle on a Hog riders forehead when he told me my lady's ass would look better on a Harley. Some things I have a hard time getting over. :dry:
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14 Sep 2015 06:17 #690002 by Timfields45
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Haha wow, yeah I have never had an experience remotely close to that... hoping it stays that way too. Our crew has vintage Harleys, cafe racers, metric cruisers, dual sports, street bikes... doesn't matter what it is or who makes it... we just cruise and have a good time doing it! No need for negativity... bikes are meant for freedom and that includes having the freedom to ride whatever you like!

Anyways! I am registering the bike tomorrow and taking it out for the first time... I'll let you know how it goes!

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14 Sep 2015 07:48 - 14 Sep 2015 07:50 #690016 by KZCafeChickNJ
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Timfields45 wrote: Anyways! I am registering the bike tomorrow and taking it out for the first time... I'll let you know how it goes!


Best of luck with it!

By the way, in addition to Ed's excellent post, check out the OEM section of partzilla.com. Enter your make, year and model and they have exploded diagrams for every system on your bike. Even more valuable is the cross reference portion of their site.

Say you have "Bike X" and need a good used "thingamajig". You search for it on ebay, but no one has the "thingamajig" for "Bike X", but lots of sellers have it for "Bike Y". You go and cross ref the part number and see if the "thingamajig" you need for your "Bike X" also fits "Bike Y". If it does, you're in business. (I hope that's understandable) It works well with ebay because lots of sellers there are too lazy to use the part compatibility feature and rarely show every bike that a certain part will fit. .

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14 Sep 2015 10:06 #690029 by SWest
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Yeah, or they're just crooked.
To be fair, Bonnie was the bar maid at the Sundowner. She would always dress to the 9's. Most of the women hated her. These guys would buy her a beer, she would pop the top and put it in the ice for me when I picked her up. I drank Coors and she liked Butt wiper. :sick: When I'd come in riding my "rice burner" they'd already be mad. Most of them would leave me alone after I caught two of them stealing my battery earlier on. I walked in and asked for the phone. The Pres. asked me if I was calling the cops. I said no, I calling a friend with a truck and will have him pick up my 44. I will get my battery back. Louie bought me a pitcher of beer and called one of his members. By the time I finished it, the battery was back and the little red cover I couldn't get on, was. That was the only other problem I had with them.
Reek came up to me at the Hamburger Heaven and asked me, "I don't want to know why you ride a Kawasaki, I want to know why you don't want to ride a Harley."I said I don't like them or the image that goes with them. "Grunt, good answer." :woohoo:
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14 Sep 2015 10:16 #690030 by Timfields45
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KZCafeChickNJ wrote:

Timfields45 wrote: Anyways! I am registering the bike tomorrow and taking it out for the first time... I'll let you know how it goes!


Best of luck with it!

By the way, in addition to Ed's excellent post, check out the OEM section of partzilla.com. Enter your make, year and model and they have exploded diagrams for every system on your bike. Even more valuable is the cross reference portion of their site.

Say you have "Bike X" and need a good used "thingamajig". You search for it on ebay, but no one has the "thingamajig" for "Bike X", but lots of sellers have it for "Bike Y". You go and cross ref the part number and see if the "thingamajig" you need for your "Bike X" also fits "Bike Y". If it does, you're in business. (I hope that's understandable) It works well with ebay because lots of sellers there are too lazy to use the part compatibility feature and rarely show every bike that a certain part will fit. .

Indeed, partzilla basically rebuilt my Suzuki so I am quite familiar with them, along with bikebandit... great deals on there too.

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14 Sep 2015 12:05 #690044 by Xl ED
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Sounds like you guys ran into assholes who happened to ride Harleys. They could just as easy been driving a Toyota.

I don't live to ride, I ride to live.

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14 Sep 2015 13:53 #690068 by SWest
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THEY HAVE DATSONS AND TOYOTAS. :woohoo: I have a 69 Ford. They're everywhere.
Let us know how it goes and PICS. On Bossie's first ride in 15 years, I was more unsure of me than the bike. :whistle:
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15 Sep 2015 14:17 #690213 by Timfields45
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Maiden voyage! A great success. The bike runs excellent. Needs some minor carb adjustments but nothing to serious. I love the little guy. I feel like I'm cheating on my Suzuki haha!

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16 Sep 2015 07:50 #690311 by Timfields45
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swest wrote: That's a fine looking little bike. B)
Steve

Thank you sir. Can you believe I paid $500 for it?!?! They lady I bought it from thought I was crazy for driving 2 hours to pick it up... these bikes go for 4x that around here in this good of condition.

So I took the kz to work today, about a 45 min ride... not one issue, I just love this bike! Definitely has a surprising amount of power for the size engine. It's right up there with my 700cc V-twin Suzuki for sure. I see getting another one of these in my near future, maybe a 750!

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