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03 Sep 2020 06:29 - 03 Sep 2020 06:30 #834280 by TexasKZ
Replied by TexasKZ on topic Battery/charging

fuzz0912 wrote: on my next rotation off work I'm going to have it tested. The thing that really concerns me is the wires heating up. I had the key on for about a minute the bike wasn't running and the wires were hot enough to feel through the plastic fuse holder. In the top pic you can see where it got hot enough to melt the plastic.


Yes, that definitely needs tending to. Fire is bad.

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03 Sep 2020 07:16 #834287 by loudhvx
Replied by loudhvx on topic Battery/charging
Fuse holders on Kz's are notorious for having a voltage drop. That voltage drops acts like a heater . It's very common for the fuse holder box to look melted and for the wires to look burnt. The best solution is to replace the fuse holder using a more modern blade-type fuse system. The burnt wires need to be cleaned up with a very fine wire brush about the size of a toothbrush, then use really good crimp connections. Soldering is ok, but it really weakens the copper so make sure the harness is secure from vibration if you solder it.
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09 Sep 2020 06:14 - 09 Sep 2020 06:21 #834647 by slmjim+Z1BEBE
Replied by slmjim+Z1BEBE on topic Battery/charging
+1 on loudhvx assessment of OEM fuse holders being a problem. On Z1's there's only one 20A fuse for the whole bike. Those old glass fuses and their connectors aren't up to flowing that kind of current demand. We've seen many Z1 fuse holders with the same heat damage as OP's.

We make it a point to replace the single 20A BUSS-style glass fuse on Z1's with a modern flat blade fuse. The holder tucks right in to where the OEM plastic holder lives.




We get the holders locally from PepBoys. Should be able to find elsewhere::




OP mentioned servicing the IG SW internals. We had a Z1 IG SW exhibiting very significant voltage drop. It was keyed same as the rest of the bike, and we really wanted to salvage it.

OP's SW might be different internally.

We found indications of arcing on the WH circuit contacts, likely analogous to the circuit in OP's pic. The WH circuit powers everything on a Z1, so carries a lot of current.

The three-point rotary contacts are interchangeable; if a movable contact point is too badly damaged, they may be swapped. FYI, the pressure spring and tiny ball bearing in the hole under the fiber insulator & rotary contact loads the rotary contacts onto the stationary contact plate. They won't go flying across the shop, but are very small & easily roll away. Recommend disassembly on a towel or similar. The red nub is only being used to get the angle right for the pic; it isn't part of the IG SW:


Closeup of the rotary contact serving the WH circuit as found after cleaning carbon debris. Note the heat discoloration & missing brass material on the lower left contact point:


The stationary contact plate after cleaning. The WH circuit contact is at 3 o'clock in the pic. Note the contact material missing due to arcing:


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09 Sep 2020 08:09 #834648 by weebeasty
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interesting post.

i have had the experience that the heating wires are caused by bad earth causing wires to glow especially on start up and when using a booster this will make it worse as the amps are so much higher than the wire gauge is intended for.

as usual you will be faced with old school technique of process of elimination. but personally i start with all my earth wire connections including ignition barrel.
just my pennies worth :)

hope you get it sorted soon.

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