KZR's Bikes of the Month for 2024

Starter motor shims for 82 GPz 1100

  • Gdailey2112
  • Topic Author
  • Offline
  • User
  • 82 KZ1100D1
More
25 Sep 2019 12:20 #811341 by Gdailey2112
Starter motor shims for 82 GPz 1100 was created by Gdailey2112
In regards to the smaller sized shims that are needed for this starter, seems to only have one shim, and I believe it's supposed to have about 2 shims and a thrust washer. My question being, is there a specific size of washer(s) I can obtain locally that'll work?? Thanks in advance!

1982 KZ1100D1

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
26 Sep 2019 08:32 - 26 Sep 2019 08:33 #811385 by old_kaw
Replied by old_kaw on topic Starter motor shims for 82 GPz 1100
You must be referring to the starter clutch selective shim washers. Not sure, check the parts diagrams for your year / model.

1981 Kawasaki Kz1000K1
Located in the Saint Louis, Missouri Area.
Last edit: 26 Sep 2019 08:33 by old_kaw.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
26 Sep 2019 09:47 #811389 by TexasKZ
Replied by TexasKZ on topic Starter motor shims for 82 GPz 1100
If you click on the part number in the parts list, you can see the sizes. Looks like several are 9.1 X 18 X 0.2 and the single thicker one is 91. X 18 X 0.8



www.partzilla.com/catalog/kawasaki/motor...ter-clutch-kz1100-b2

1982 KZ1000 LTD parts donor
1981 KZ1000 LTD awaiting resurrection
2000 ZRX1100 not ridden enough

www.kzrider.com/11-projects/620336-anoth...uild-thread?start=24

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • Gdailey2112
  • Topic Author
  • Offline
  • User
  • 82 KZ1100D1
More
26 Sep 2019 10:38 #811390 by Gdailey2112
Replied by Gdailey2112 on topic Starter motor shims for 82 GPz 1100
Referring to the 3 smaller ones on the brush end of the starter motor. This starter came from a bone yard, ...I can tell someone or maybe several have been into this thing. Screw heads were stripped!!

1982 KZ1100D1

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
26 Sep 2019 12:49 - 27 Sep 2019 07:59 #811395 by old_kaw
Replied by old_kaw on topic Starter motor shims for 82 GPz 1100
Not a big deal, if I remember right I think there is a fiber or rubber washer in the stack up somewhere. It is meant to act as a braking for spin down of the armature upon de-energization. Easy stuff for billy-bob to lose in the dirt & gravel driveway / workbench.

I wouldn't sweat the end play too much as long as it's got enough room to turn freely and hold the armature in position. The partzilla link Texaskz posted shows the starter motor breakdown and list the shims used.

** EDIT: I don't remember exactly how many washers there were, but if memory serves me, there were 2-3 shims and a fiber brake / spin down washer. They are easy to miss, stick together, and would surely end up in the bottom of a pan of solvent if not carefully cleaned and inspected. I always pour my solvent through a screen basket when I am done cleaning up parts, and things like this end up in the solvent. They also ride up inside the armature under the brush commutator segments, making them even easier to miss.

Attachment not found



Attachment not found


1981 Kawasaki Kz1000K1
Located in the Saint Louis, Missouri Area.
Last edit: 27 Sep 2019 07:59 by old_kaw. Reason: typo's

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • Gdailey2112
  • Topic Author
  • Offline
  • User
  • 82 KZ1100D1
More
30 Sep 2019 08:03 #811525 by Gdailey2112
Replied by Gdailey2112 on topic Starter motor shims for 82 GPz 1100
Were there any shims on the brush end of armature?

1982 KZ1100D1

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
01 Oct 2019 08:06 - 01 Oct 2019 08:19 #811573 by old_kaw
Replied by old_kaw on topic Starter motor shims for 82 GPz 1100

Gdailey2112 wrote: Were there any shims on the brush end of armature?


YES, (texasKz said (sevaral.. they are SHIMS) .02mm and (1) .08mm, (and posted a parts link) there were several shims in the commutator end of the armature. I don't remember exactly how many or their thicknesses. There were at least 3-4 shims and a washer. Probably ~`060" or so total thickness for the stack.

The shim and thrust washer on the drive end take the loading while the starter is energized. The shims under the brushes take up the slack when spinning down.

Attachment not found



Look at the parts breakdown on partzilla that was posted previously..

** EDIT: NOTE that I used the wrong grease. It was all I had at the time. I have a tube of >white lithium< grease >NOW<.. Wheel bearing grease is too thick for a starter motor.

1981 Kawasaki Kz1000K1
Located in the Saint Louis, Missouri Area.
Last edit: 01 Oct 2019 08:19 by old_kaw. Reason: typo's

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
24 Oct 2019 09:37 - 24 Oct 2019 09:40 #812943 by old_kaw
Replied by old_kaw on topic Starter motor shims for 82 GPz 1100
Just a quick update on my starter shims. My starter was growling like the bushings were running dry, since I did not have any white lithium grease the last time I disassembled it, (I used wheel bearing grease) I did not want to let it self destruct due to my incompetence during the last tear-down and cleanup, Sooooo.. I spent yesterday afternoon removing it again, disassembling, cleaning and lubing it. I also paid special attention to the armature thrust washers and shims.

The drive end has the most torque applied and has the beefiest thrust washers and shims. There are / were (2) selective shims that are not shown in the partzilla breakdown, since it does not show the armature at all..

Attachment not found



The brush end only had one thrust washer and one selective shim washer. I may have lost some shims in past repairs.

Attachment not found



The drive end had the main thrust washer with tabs, and one that looked to be fiber or plastic, and 2 thin selective shims. I was not sure how to stack them, and did not try ti find the info in the manual, (greasy computer?) so I just assembled it in a manner that I know will work. I stacked the two selective shims with the plastic washer between them, to keep the armature from wearing through the plastic washer.

Attachment not found



After it was completely assembled and run, the end play seemed to be ~.020-.030". No more dry bushing growling now.

1981 Kawasaki Kz1000K1
Located in the Saint Louis, Missouri Area.
Last edit: 24 Oct 2019 09:40 by old_kaw. Reason: typo's
The following user(s) said Thank You: Gdailey2112

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Powered by Kunena Forum

If you like KZR Please consider making a donation. Thank you.

KZRider is free, but not without cost.

Please consider chipping in a few bucks to help cover the cost of running the KZR servers.