Z800 Cafe Fighter Chopper thing GEOMETRY SPECS

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Re: Z650 Café Fighter Chopper thing

04 May 2015 16:47

Does the remote starter have a lockout if the bike is not in neutral just in case someone screws around with the bike and leaves the tranny in 1st or 2nd gear? I've seen a Yamaha XS750 hop off its side stand and crunch into the gravel parking lot when that happened. Surprised the heck out of the owner and damaged the tank.

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Re: Z650 Café Fighter Chopper thing

05 May 2015 03:01

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Yeah the starter relay will be wired into the Neutral switch.

Annoying but necessary I guess.

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24 Jan 2016 10:25 - 24 Jan 2016 10:46

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Hello all.

Yes, the world's longest Z build is alive and well, just been in hibernation due to all kinds of boring nonsense.

BUT! I have to get it on the road this spring as the garage where the build is kept is being demolished. So even if I don't complete it myself I'll hand it over to my engine builder to complete - he also does lots of custom work / fabrications so hopefully it will be on the road by April!

A quick question to get the ball rolling again.

I'm just putting the finishing touches to the loom which is made from scratch. I'm wiring in the Reg/Rec and have a few questions about cable colours and how it plugs in.

I'm using an aftermarket Reg/Rec for a Z650 with 3 Yellow wires, 1 Brown, 1 Black and 1 White. Can anyone confirm that the below is correct:

3 Yellows TO Stator / Generator
1 Brown TO Battery+ terminal - This is the charging wire and should be fused?
1 Black TO GROUND - Direct to Battery- Terminal or any good ground point?
1 White TO ? This is the control wire I think to regulate charging current - where should enter the circuit? I'm using keyless ignition managed by a MotoGadget unit so the ignition circuit is not straightforward.

Help appreciated! Pics on the way.

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24 Jan 2016 11:14

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The various Z650 years/models used several very different charging system setups; the link below shows wiring diagrams for the various models. If you know for sure which model did your KZ650 engine is from you may be able to use one of the diagrams to sort things out. The diagram for the KZ650-H2 may be the one that most closely resembles the number and color of wires you mentioned, although even that one is not an exact match. Ed

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24 Jan 2016 11:23

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Aaaargh.

The engine is a GPZ750 but now an 810cc forged piston build.

The stator is an aftermarket new model and the entire electrical system is new and bespoke - so I just selected a good quality modern Reg/Rec to use.

Should I stick with the 6-cable control wire version - I also have a 5-wire version.

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24 Jan 2016 11:46 - 24 Jan 2016 11:46

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I'm not sure if all the GPz 750 models used the same charging systems, but below is a link to a diagram for the ZX750-A1 and it show 6 wires (the A2 diagram shows the same config). If you engine's charging system began life with a 6 wire setup you may want to stick with that. Ed

mbsween.bike-night.com/kz750l3/media/ZX750-A1-US.jpg

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24 Jan 2016 21:20

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Thanks dude.

Any test I can do to confirm which colour is the CONTROL wire...?

More importantly, where should it enter the circuit if ignition ON is controlled by a MotoGadget unit? The Motogadget has a +12V accessory supply which I think is switched.

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Re: Z800 Cafe Fighter Chopper thing LOOM GOING IN

24 Jan 2016 23:17

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royalratch wrote: Hello all.

Yes, the world's longest Z build is alive and well, just been in hibernation due to all kinds of boring nonsense.

BUT! I have to get it on the road this spring as the garage where the build is kept is being demolished. So even if I don't complete it myself I'll hand it over to my engine builder to complete - he also does lots of custom work / fabrications so hopefully it will be on the road by April!

A quick question to get the ball rolling again.

I'm just putting the finishing touches to the loom which is made from scratch. I'm wiring in the Reg/Rec and have a few questions about cable colours and how it plugs in.

I'm using an aftermarket Reg/Rec for a Z650 with 3 Yellow wires, 1 Brown, 1 Black and 1 White. Can anyone confirm that the below is correct:

3 Yellows TO Stator / Generator
1 Brown TO Battery+ terminal - This is the charging wire and should be fused?
1 Black TO GROUND - Direct to Battery- Terminal or any good ground point?
1 White TO ? This is the control wire I think to regulate charging current - where should enter the circuit? I'm using keyless ignition managed by a MotoGadget unit so the ignition circuit is not straightforward.

Help appreciated! Pics on the way.

Brown is ignition
White is battery
Black is ground

First Permanent ride the Z1R since Dec1977 (220,000km) as of June 2015
Second permanent bike 1989 FJ1200 dyno'd 140RWH, great bike.
Third ride is now the Frankenstein 1981 GPZ1100B1, 1983 fully recon motor fitted LOVE THIS BIKE
Forth my work bike FJ1200 1989 (same type as FJ above)

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Re: Z800 Cafe Fighter Chopper thing LOOM GOING IN

24 Jan 2016 23:54

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Star!

What fuse, if any, should the charge wire be rated at?

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25 Jan 2016 23:33 - 25 Jan 2016 23:34

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royalratch wrote: Star!

What fuse, if any, should the charge wire be rated at?

I have to admit I have 20Amp fuse but that might be a bit much suspect 15amp would be better, I assume the fuse rating should be in the manual.
As I stated the brown on the kawasaki range is usually the ignition wire and the white is the Battery, if you lose the ignition key and the ignition is not "steering" locked you can hot wire the bike by touching the white and brown together.

First Permanent ride the Z1R since Dec1977 (220,000km) as of June 2015
Second permanent bike 1989 FJ1200 dyno'd 140RWH, great bike.
Third ride is now the Frankenstein 1981 GPZ1100B1, 1983 fully recon motor fitted LOVE THIS BIKE
Forth my work bike FJ1200 1989 (same type as FJ above)

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27 Jan 2016 06:24

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Thanks dude.

No hot-wiring that way - everything runs through the MotoGadget so its Transponder Key or iPhone start only.

Keyless start is the back-up to the iPhone starter.

Thanks tho - been a great help.

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Re: Z800 Cafe Fighter Chopper thing GEOMETRY SPECS

12 Feb 2016 11:06 - 12 Feb 2016 11:27

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Hey dudes.

So I finally got my electrical system up and running - on my bench. As I stated earlier in the thread, I wanted to try and do something fun with the electronics system as the MotoGadget makes it so easy. Here's a short video demo'ing the iPhone remote start,

Using an off the shelf $40 dual-Switch Bluetooth relay, I was able to create a remote ignition and starter app for my iPhone. Instead of having an ignition barrel and starter button, I can now switch the bike on and start it via my phone from 20ft away. It also keeps the bike's controls area super clean.

This particular relay also includes a temperature sensor that will be fitted to the top of the air-cooled engine next to the spark plugs. This will allow me to take very accurate engine temp readings and even log them at intervals over a ride to monitor engine temps. I can also have my phone alert me via SMS if the engine is overheating. Using a 4G data-enabled relay, I can switch the bike on (and off!) from anywhere in the world.

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