Scratches on cam lobes after ~30 km ride

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05 Jun 2024 15:28 - 05 Jun 2024 15:36 #900303 by KZ 1100
Hello everyone! Recently did a head rebuild on my '82 KZ1100. Went on a first ride and after it a few of cam lobes are a bit scratched. Definitely weren't any scratches you can feel with fingernail like those before. Found this accidentally,had to change one shim for a bit smaller one.
Anyone had similar situation?




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05 Jun 2024 15:39 #900305 by Wookie58
Replied by Wookie58 on topic Scratches on cam lobes after ~30 km ride
I fixed your pictures (next time click "insert all" before posting) that looks like some sort of "debris" in the oil, the cam surface is hardened so not easy to gouge like that - was the head blast cleaned ? Possible blast medium not cleaned out ?

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05 Jun 2024 15:41 #900306 by Nessism
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05 Jun 2024 15:49 #900307 by KZ 1100
Replied by KZ 1100 on topic Scratches on cam lobes after ~30 km ride
Thanks for pictures. As I know,it wasn't and I didn't notice any particles when installing it. The oil in the bike remains the same cos and I'm sure I didn't drop nothing hard in the cam chain tunnel in the process.

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05 Jun 2024 15:56 #900308 by KZ 1100
Replied by KZ 1100 on topic Scratches on cam lobes after ~30 km ride
Referring to Nessism comment (can't quote for some reason), the bike was standing on the side stand for 5 days,there was some oil in the first cylinder "corner". I don't really know how much oil should be there, previous few times I was under the head cover,it looked about the same.

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05 Jun 2024 18:40 #900315 by F64
Did you use any assembly lube when putting everything back together?

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05 Jun 2024 18:46 #900316 by Scirocco
Replied by Scirocco on topic Scratches on cam lobes after ~30 km ride
Three differend screws on the cam bearing cap and it looks like the lower cam bearing shell is missing ???

 

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05 Jun 2024 21:57 #900324 by Cra-z1
Replied by Cra-z1 on topic Scratches on cam lobes after ~30 km ride
Was the Allen bolt on the cap ground down while it was installed on the cam cap? I agree grit contamination from some source.
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06 Jun 2024 04:52 #900335 by KZ 1100
Replied by KZ 1100 on topic Scratches on cam lobes after ~30 km ride

Did you use any assembly lube when putting everything back together?

Just engine oil.

Three different screws on the cam bearing cap and it looks like the lower cam bearing shell is missing ???

Well, previous owners messed up original threads and rethreaded for bigger diameter. Cam bearing should be in it's place and it's kinda be seen on other photo.

Was the Allen bolt on the cap ground down while it was installed on the cam cap? I agree grit contamination from some source.

Can you please explain that thing with Allen bolts? Don't understand what you mean 

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06 Jun 2024 04:58 - 06 Jun 2024 05:03 #900336 by Wookie58
Replied by Wookie58 on topic Scratches on cam lobes after ~30 km ride

Did you use any assembly lube when putting everything back together?

Just engine oil.

Three different screws on the cam bearing cap and it looks like the lower cam bearing shell is missing ???

Well, previous owners messed up original threads and rethreaded for bigger diameter. Cam bearing should be in it's place and it's kinda be seen on other photo.

Was the Allen bolt on the cap ground down while it was installed on the cam cap? I agree grit contamination from some source.

Can you please explain that thing with Allen bolts? Don't understand what you mean 
The head of the allen bolt appears to have been ground down to clearance the cam cover - was it ground "away from the motor" or "in place" (grinding debris in motor)

 
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06 Jun 2024 05:32 #900337 by KZ 1100
Replied by KZ 1100 on topic Scratches on cam lobes after ~30 km ride
That was done long before me and most likely when it was still in Germany (they took the center stand off the bike and only chance of getting it is from States). I rode this bike about 4,5 k km and I changed oil when I got it (and probly re changed it a few times while adding it due to oil leak ).
The only thing I can do is drain the oil to check. 

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06 Jun 2024 05:41 #900338 by TexasKZ
Replied by TexasKZ on topic Scratches on cam lobes after ~30 km ride
Could the camshaft have been turned while there was no valve shim in the follower?

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