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And at times the manual just isn't easy to follow, someone touched on it a bit up there that things aren't always 'factory' any more, I went through the troubleshooting steps in the manual for 'starter click only' and had to wing it, as the piece that was suppose to be there wasn't, I'll track back and see what it was so I can reference it
Ended up being just torqued, as soon as I loosened a bolt, and gave it some leeway, it turned, tightened everything back up and haven't had a problem with it since

What i like about UK Haynes manuals is they are written for the amateur without all the factory tools and with a good diagnostics chapter. The FSM are written for time served pro mechanics and not so user friendly for the beginner. Also the layout seems to make more sense to me.

Unfortunately some things are lost to interpretation. A one size fits all manual isn't the best choice but it's better than nothing.
I snickered when one guy said, "I'm not going to go out and buy a book just because some guy says so."
I was thinking he has a "long strange trip" ahead of him.
Steve

+1
Right! Why pay $30 for a manual when psychiatric help only costs a nickel? Ed

And advice here is free. It really isn't you know. Without a book to confirm the information, the reader might be acting on advice from a dunder head, someone that didn't understand the question or a Nimrod that just likes to give false information to see how much damage he can cause.
You want cheap, you get what you pay for.
Most of the people here will go way out of their way to look up things and post them to help. Me too until I feel I'm just being used, then I walk away.
Ed, I saved Lucy. She'll come in handy I'm sure.
Steve

Sometimes I go back and read stuff I replied to months ago and it sounds very snarky and I didn't mean for it to be that way.
But I am with Steve about offering help to those that will not listen or are argumentative. Nope! After a second go around with a dense or knuckle headed wanker and I am done with them.

glad to see someone near denver as well. Maybe be able to help me !! lol

missionkz wrote: Sometimes I go back and read stuff I replied to months ago and it sounds very snarky and I didn't mean for it to be that way.
But I am with Steve about offering help to those that will not listen or are argumentative. Nope! After a second go around with a dense or knuckle headed wanker and I am done with them.

Same here. If legitimate advice is greeted with ridicule or snide arguments it's pretty clear the person doesn't value the advice and has no intention of following it, so offering advice to that person is a waste of time. Likewise, I quickly lose interest in trying to help a person who does not show any attempt to help themselves by actually looking at their bike or reading a manual, but instead expects folks on this forum to answer any basic questions that might pop into their head. Helping folks is a nice thing to do, and we all need help at some point, but to me answering questions that can easily be answered through simple observation is enabling the person who is just being lazy. Ed

Two thumbs up.
Steve

I have these PDF FSM's (freely available on Net) if anyone needs one. PM me,

KH 250 & 400 1972 - 76,
KH 500 1969 - 1975,
GPZ 900 1990,
KZ 750 ,GPZ & LTD Sup 1980 - 88,
KZ 1000 -1100 1983 - 85,
KZ 1000 1979,
KZ 1300 1997,
KZ 650 1976 AND OWNERS MAN,
KZ 1000 J 1981 -83,
KZ 1000 A1 ASSEMBLY AND PREP,
ZR 1100 1991 ZEPHYR,
KEIHIN CARB BASELINE TUNING,
MIKUNI VM SUPER TUNING MANUAL.
KEIHIN CARB JETTING
HOW TO MAKE A CARB STAND TO CHECK FLOAT LEVELS,

No substitute for paper though - i have 2 FSM'S just in case .

The link to the Kawasaki Base and Supplement Manuals are in my signature to follow me with every post. I always recommend to have one, or at least download one. Learned so much on my bikes by reading through them a little at a time, then actually working on the bike. Once it was running, then I tuned it, oh what a difference.

I stop giving advice when someone can't help themselves to free. Having a manual shows you have attempted it first, or at least can look to something that you have been hinted towards. Not talking about the Owners Manual, the Service Manual It's a shame that with today's technology, everyone just wants the answer to, "My bike cranks but won't start. What is it? Maybe I'll just park it on the side of the road and leave it there, because I don't have any money to fix it." You know we can try, but we can't save them and not everyone can fix them.

Posting your findings to your initial question is a way of giving back so others can learn.

Starting multiple threads about the same issue will not get you a quicker reply.

Yeah and the ones that refuse to adjust the valves. "I don't have to do it on my car." "It was running OK last year", "It must be the carbs" etc, etc, You can't talk to someone that won't listen.
Steve