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27 May 2020 12:30 #826669
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81-KZ440-D2.
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Replied by F64 on topic Brake caliper chatter during braking and/or low speed turns
Give this a shot.
Try cleaning the rotors again with scotch brite and a solvent from below.
From Michael Morse at www.vintagebrake.com/tips.htm
DO NOT use aerosol cleaners-some leave residues that promote glazing.
Continued glass beading of rotors will optimize performance.
When changing pads, always prepare the disc rotors by cleaning with an aggressive scrubbing with Scotch-Brite (steel grade) abrasive pads, 180 grit sandpaper, or glass beading (preferred) to remove boundary layer deposited by previous pads. Rinse with MEK, denatured alcohol, or acetone.
Try cleaning the rotors again with scotch brite and a solvent from below.
From Michael Morse at www.vintagebrake.com/tips.htm
DO NOT use aerosol cleaners-some leave residues that promote glazing.
Continued glass beading of rotors will optimize performance.
When changing pads, always prepare the disc rotors by cleaning with an aggressive scrubbing with Scotch-Brite (steel grade) abrasive pads, 180 grit sandpaper, or glass beading (preferred) to remove boundary layer deposited by previous pads. Rinse with MEK, denatured alcohol, or acetone.
81-KZ440-D2.
Louis Dudzik's GM HEI ignitor conversion installed 2015 s3.amazonaws.com/gpzweb/Ignition/GPZgmHEImod.html
Motogadget m-unit blue installed 2017.
LIC, NY
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27 May 2020 13:05 #826671
by TexasKZ
1982 KZ1000 LTD parts donor
1981 KZ1000 LTD awaiting resurrection
2000 ZRX1100 not ridden enough
Replied by TexasKZ on topic Brake caliper chatter during braking and/or low speed turns
MEK works well, but is some seriously dangerous stuff.
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27 May 2020 18:59 #826697
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Replied by astrosail on topic Brake caliper chatter during braking and/or low speed turns
Folks,
I removed the caliper and put the wheel on the axle spanning between two jack stands. I taped a chopstick and minimized the gap between the tip and the brake disc--essentially the smallest gap I can perceive with my 20/20 vision. Spinning the wheel, I saw no discernible change in gap size. I know this isn't as precise as dial indicators, but I really don't think that there is a significant warp in the disc. There was no issue with the disc before my steering stem bearing project, I never jimmied the wheel while it was off the bike, so it SHOULD still be good. During reassembly I decided to put the brake pads on opposite sides just for kicks. The problem persists--rattle/chatter at low speeds while moving the handlebars and a light but audible brake drag.
Could my piston not be returning for some reason? The fluid and dust seals looked good when I installed them, the piston is new... the piston certainly returns a LITTLE bit because when the brakes are off it feels like the brakes are off.... what else could cause a piston to LIGHTLY drag on the brakes?
I will scrub and clean the rotors like F64 suggested. I am also thinking of buying new brake pads. Anything to look out for there in terms of what supplier, materials, what is quality, and what isn't?
I removed the caliper and put the wheel on the axle spanning between two jack stands. I taped a chopstick and minimized the gap between the tip and the brake disc--essentially the smallest gap I can perceive with my 20/20 vision. Spinning the wheel, I saw no discernible change in gap size. I know this isn't as precise as dial indicators, but I really don't think that there is a significant warp in the disc. There was no issue with the disc before my steering stem bearing project, I never jimmied the wheel while it was off the bike, so it SHOULD still be good. During reassembly I decided to put the brake pads on opposite sides just for kicks. The problem persists--rattle/chatter at low speeds while moving the handlebars and a light but audible brake drag.
Could my piston not be returning for some reason? The fluid and dust seals looked good when I installed them, the piston is new... the piston certainly returns a LITTLE bit because when the brakes are off it feels like the brakes are off.... what else could cause a piston to LIGHTLY drag on the brakes?
I will scrub and clean the rotors like F64 suggested. I am also thinking of buying new brake pads. Anything to look out for there in terms of what supplier, materials, what is quality, and what isn't?
1982 KZ440-G1
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27 May 2020 19:15 #826698
by Mikaw
1976 KZ 900 A4 kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/613548-1976-kz-900-a4
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Replied by Mikaw on topic Brake caliper chatter during braking and/or low speed turns
Did you happen to walk the bike around with the caliper off when you did the last symptom testing. Did you check the axle for straightness. Just rolling it on a flat surface like a kitchen counter top would probably show if it’s good or not. Personally I think cleaning the disc won’t help. I’m sure after a few hard stops and heat anything left on the disc would be gone. Did you check the wheel bearings? How about the speedo drive. It might be the problem
1976 KZ 900 A4 kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/613548-1976-kz-900-a4
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1978 KZ 1000 B2 LTD
1980 KZ 750 E1
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30 May 2020 16:06 #826958
by astrosail
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Replied by astrosail on topic Brake caliper chatter during braking and/or low speed turns
Folks,
I just walked the bike around without a caliper attached. The sound still happened!
A while ago when this problem first started, I considered the idea that the front fender was rubbing against the tire, so I inspected every bit of the tire and I found no wear/scuff marks. Removing the fender isn’t that big of a chore, so I thought, screw it, let’s take off the fender. Guess what—the sound stopped.
So, somehow the fender was rubbing on the tread of the tire while braking and turning at both high and low speeds. Did I bend the fender somehow while I had the front end disassembled for the stem bearing replacement? Perhaps.
Thanks for the advice so far, all. I’m itching for a ride so I’m going to head out around town without a front fender. I realize the front end is a little weaker now without the fender.
Does anyone have an idea of:
1. Why the fender would do this ONLY while turning and braking?
2. How to fix this problem?
I just walked the bike around without a caliper attached. The sound still happened!
A while ago when this problem first started, I considered the idea that the front fender was rubbing against the tire, so I inspected every bit of the tire and I found no wear/scuff marks. Removing the fender isn’t that big of a chore, so I thought, screw it, let’s take off the fender. Guess what—the sound stopped.
So, somehow the fender was rubbing on the tread of the tire while braking and turning at both high and low speeds. Did I bend the fender somehow while I had the front end disassembled for the stem bearing replacement? Perhaps.
Thanks for the advice so far, all. I’m itching for a ride so I’m going to head out around town without a front fender. I realize the front end is a little weaker now without the fender.
Does anyone have an idea of:
1. Why the fender would do this ONLY while turning and braking?
2. How to fix this problem?
1982 KZ440-G1
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30 May 2020 16:29 - 30 May 2020 16:29 #826961
by Scirocco
My 1975 Z 1 B 900 Project
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Replied by Scirocco on topic Brake caliper chatter during braking and/or low speed turns
Do you have the right tire size on the wheel? Any pics of your wheel and Fender setup would help a lot...
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30 May 2020 16:54 #826965
by Mikaw
1976 KZ 900 A4 kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/613548-1976-kz-900-a4
1976 KZ 900 B1 LTD
1978 KZ 1000 B2 LTD
1980 KZ 750 E1
Kowledge Speaks, But Wisdom Listens.
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Replied by Mikaw on topic Brake caliper chatter during braking and/or low speed turns
Make sure your fork tubes are mounted correctly. Go thru the process in the pages of the manual I posted. Aslo as scirocco mentions check the tire size.
1976 KZ 900 A4 kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/613548-1976-kz-900-a4
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1978 KZ 1000 B2 LTD
1980 KZ 750 E1
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22 Jun 2020 07:28 #828656
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Replied by astrosail on topic Brake caliper chatter during braking and/or low speed turns
Front tire is a Cheng Shin 3.50-19 57N.
Is this the correct size to have?
Is this the correct size to have?
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22 Jun 2020 09:43 #828671
by Mikaw
1976 KZ 900 A4 kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/613548-1976-kz-900-a4
1976 KZ 900 B1 LTD
1978 KZ 1000 B2 LTD
1980 KZ 750 E1
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Replied by Mikaw on topic Brake caliper chatter during braking and/or low speed turns
Should be ok. Factory size is 3.60-19. Similar to a 100/90-19
1976 KZ 900 A4 kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/613548-1976-kz-900-a4
1976 KZ 900 B1 LTD
1978 KZ 1000 B2 LTD
1980 KZ 750 E1
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Jimi Hendrix.
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