85 kz1000 police clutch question.

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26 May 2013 14:59 #589272 by davem
85 kz1000 police clutch question. was created by davem
I just got a 85 kz 1000 police bike. Its all stock from what I can tell. Its been sitting in a barn for a long time the best I can tell.
My clutch will not disengage the drivetrain.
The bike is not running yet but I got it started tge other day pulled the clutch in put it in gear and it just stalled.
The bike will not move with it in gear and clutch engaged even with the engine off.
There was a lot of slack in the cable so I adjusted it so it was slightly loose. Put it in gear pulled the clutch and the bike wont move.
I pulled the clutch cover on the left side but couldnt find anything out of order.
How do I determin if there is a problem beyond the cable and mechanism under the left cover without ripping into it?
Where do I start?
I have a factory manual for my 79ltd but havnt found one for the police bike yet
Should I be able to push the rod in at all. I can pull it out but I cant push it in.
Thank you
Dave

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26 May 2013 15:16 #589278 by zukdave
Replied by zukdave on topic 85 kz1000 police clutch question.
Clutch plates are stuck together.

Start it and roll down hill and put it in gear and ride it.
Hold the clutch in and crack the throttle a few times
in 3rd gear if should break free.

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27 May 2013 08:46 #589379 by davem
Replied by davem on topic 85 kz1000 police clutch question.
once i get it running ill give that a try. thank you!

zukdave wrote: Clutch plates are stuck together.

Start it and roll down hill and put it in gear and ride it.
Hold the clutch in and crack the throttle a few times
in 3rd gear if should break free.


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27 May 2013 11:06 - 27 May 2013 11:06 #589388 by P21
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your gona need a new clutch plates
when these bad boys sit along time the fluid drains off clutch pac and they dried out and get brittle.
you might get it unstuck but i bet $100.00 buck it will start slipping.
all good advise above

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28 May 2013 01:19 #589527 by davem
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I got the Bike running good today. It sounds real good :) I tried the getting going in gear and driving it but the clutch is still stuck but When I turn the ajuster screw for the clutch i can make the clutch disengage. but I cant seem to get it to do it by pulling the clutch lever or reengage without turning the adjuster screw back.
Does this still sound like the plates are stuck or could it be something else?

P21 I Im gonna order the new clutch plates. But I am trying to make sure that is gonna fix the issue and i dont need any other parts.... I hate ordering parts, waiting then having to order more and wait more.LOL
Also do I need any special tool to replace the clutch palates and springs?

Thanks for your help

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29 May 2013 01:29 - 29 May 2013 08:15 #589678 by davem
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i tried riding with the clutch engaged but nothing happened.
One thing I noticed is if I crank on the adjster screw I can get it to release.
I took the clutch apart and this is what I found.
Not sure wht i am looking for but I decided to see if anything was stuck together. all the plates came out freely and look to be in pretty good shape.
what should I look for in here? how do I tell if it is time to replace the plates and if that will fix my problem?
Thanks

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zukdave wrote: Clutch platesarea trid stuck together.

Start it and roll down hill and put it in gear and ride it.
Hold the clutch in and crack the throttle a few times
in 3rd gear if should break free.


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1985 kz1000p4 project-sold
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29 May 2013 10:34 #589713 by Motor Head
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This could be the reason it was parked. I suspect the release mechanism on the sprocket cover was miss aligned/ assembled.
As for a service manual, this one is for the Engine and most of the rest of the bike. Also on the website you will find the Police wiring diagram.

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29 May 2013 22:28 #589836 by davem
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I think the mechanism was installed wrong. Now I need to put the clutch plaates back and I think I got them out of order?
What is the correct order of the friction plates there is 2 kinds one that has a black friction spot on each side and one that is just metal. Is there a specific order?
Thanks

Motor Head wrote: This could be the reason it was parked. I suspect the release mechanism on the sprocket cover was miss aligned/ assembled.
As for a service manual, this one is for the Engine and most of the rest of the bike. Also on the website you will find the Police wiring diagram.

mikessuperbikes.com/index.php/the-librar...-1100-factory-manual
mikessuperbikes.com/index.php/the-librar...ice-wiring-schematic


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29 May 2013 22:41 - 29 May 2013 22:43 #589839 by Motor Head
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They stagger, so a metal lines up to the wear material. When the clutch pressure plate, and springs go on, it should be that it wears against a fiber friction plate. So last plate is friction, then metal, then friction, then metal. Get it?
There is a section in the manual on the clutch, and how to inspect the disc's. Thickness and wear on components to be inspected.

1982 KZ1000LTD K2 Vance & Hines 4-1 ACCEL COILS Added Vetter fairing & Bags. FOX Racing rear Shocks, Braced Swing-arm, Fork Brace, Progressive Fork Springs RT Gold Emulators, APE Valve Springs, 1166 Big Bore kit, RS34's, GPZ cams.
1980 KZ550LTD C1 Stock SOLD Miss it
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29 May 2013 22:53 #589843 by 1badcopKZ
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Ok, super easy... if you wanna see a good break down then go to bike bandit or babbits and look up your bike and then the clutch and look at the exploded diagram there to see what you have and how its goes together. BTW, I just had the same issue: I took a 83 police bike than has been sitting since '04 and the clutch plates were stuck on it too. I just poured in some sea foam and ran the engine for a short period then let it sit and then they popped loose after sitting for an hour. I ran the engone again just to loosen up thickened oil in the crankcase and then drained it, pulled the plug wires, turned it over a few times to get it all down to the bottom and then changed the filter and filled with new oil. After that its great! I also totally started over on adjustment for the cable as if installing a new one and it was fine. Buena suerte!

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29 May 2013 23:11 #589847 by davem
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I found the info on inspection but i cant find the torque info on the bolts that hold the springs in and housing together.

Motor Head wrote: They stagger, so a metal lines up to the wear material. When the clutch pressure plate, and springs go on, it should be that it wears against a fiber friction plate. So last plate is friction, then metal, then friction, then metal. Get it?
There is a section in the manual on the clutch, and how to inspect the disc's. Thickness and wear on components to be inspected.


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29 May 2013 23:16 - 29 May 2013 23:21 #589848 by Motor Head
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You need an Inch pound torque wrench if you were to use one. 78 inch pounds is what the manual states. Easy to over tighten if you use a foot pound wrench. You can use a 1/4 drive ratchet if you don't have a inch pound torque wrench, just a easy good snugging is all they need. If you use lock-tite, use Blue and just a drop or two.



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