Kz750G wiring nightmare!

More
12 Jun 2017 20:28 #764199 by Mark50
Kz750G wiring nightmare! was created by Mark50
So I picked up a kz750G 1980 model the other day. The guy I got it from had removed 99% of the wiring and it didn't run. What he left has no rhyme or reason to it. So getting the manual and checking the wiring diagrams there and here on the forum it seems there are 2 options.
1: Wire the points through an igniter to the coil. The diagram shows 2 leads coming from the points.
2: Wire a single lead from the points to the coil and the other side seems to provide power from the key switch.
After much trial and error I'm still not getting any spark from the plugs.
My points have a single lead which leads me to think the igniter isn't required.
Any help at all on this would be greatly appreciated!

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
12 Jun 2017 20:37 #764200 by Mark50
Replied by Mark50 on topic Kz750G wiring nightmare!
Here are some pics of what I'm working with.

Attachment not found

Attachment not found

Attachment not found

Attachment not found

Attachment not found

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
13 Jun 2017 03:54 - 13 Jun 2017 12:45 #764211 by Patton
Replied by Patton on topic Kz750G wiring nightmare!
The ignition coil is supposed to have two wires connected to its primary terminals.

One of these two wires provides battery positive voltage to the coil's primary winding (presumably when the key ignition is switched "ON").

The other of these two wires provides a ground for the coil's primary winding through closed points.

Opening of the points is the event that causes the coil to "fire" throughout the "secondary loop" comprised of the coil's secondary winding, two spark plug wires, spark plugs, and the engine head.

An igniter is used with a stock electronic ignition without points.

An igniter is not used with points.

Good Fortune! :)

1973 Z1
KZ900 LTD
Last edit: 13 Jun 2017 12:45 by Patton.
The following user(s) said Thank You: GPz550D1, Mark50

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
13 Jun 2017 05:09 - 14 Jun 2017 05:34 #764218 by martin_csr
Replied by martin_csr on topic Kz750G wiring nightmare!
There might be a good wiring harness on eebbaayy.
You can use the electronic ignition from a KZ440 or 82-84 750-Twin. you'd need a 750-Twin timing advancer for elec ign.
note: the igniter in the pic might be from a 750-4.

edit: I would get rid of all of those mash crimps & lousy connections, then install open barrel terminals & connectors using a good open barrel crimper. the crimps are very strong, same as stock. ... cycleterminal.com
Last edit: 14 Jun 2017 05:34 by martin_csr.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
13 Jun 2017 06:53 #764234 by Mark50
Replied by Mark50 on topic Kz750G wiring nightmare!
That's what I was thinking that I shouldn't need an igniter. When I wire the points to the coil and just a straight line from the battery to the coil I'm still not getting any spark. I have the plug pulled and grounded against the engine and nothing sparking across the gap when I crank it.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
13 Jun 2017 07:13 #764240 by JR
Replied by JR on topic Kz750G wiring nightmare!
Weird looking coil. Is it an automobile coil ?
Not saying an automobile coil couldn't work but it might be worth while measuring primary and secondary coil resistance to see if
(a) continuity and (b) resistance values similar to those recommended in the manual.

1980 kz750E1, Delkevic exhaust

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
13 Jun 2017 07:19 #764241 by Mark50
Replied by Mark50 on topic Kz750G wiring nightmare!
It's the coil that came on it, but that's not to say it's the correct one....... Guess I'll break out the meter and check some things.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
13 Jun 2017 07:23 - 13 Jun 2017 07:26 #764243 by loudhvx
Replied by loudhvx on topic Kz750G wiring nightmare!
I think he's showing a closeup of the ignition switch (generic, aftermarket, car-type). I can't really see the coil too well mounted in the frame.

Be sure to have a complete path for the spark. That means both plug wires need a close connection to each other or the engine. If not you can damage the coil.

One primary wire should have 12v on it going into the coil. The other primary wire just goes to the points. You may have to take a really close look at the points area to make sure all of the insulator washers etc. are in the correct place. Make sure the engine is grounded to the battery (since that is what the points plate must connect to through the engine).

Yes, that igniter is for a 4 cylinder Kz, judging by the number of wires.
Last edit: 13 Jun 2017 07:26 by loudhvx.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
13 Jun 2017 09:53 #764264 by Patton
Replied by Patton on topic Kz750G wiring nightmare!
Presumably, the coil at hand is a dual output coil, meaning that it has two spark plug wires.

With the coil receiving battery voltage, and the spark plugs attached and laying grounded against the head, simply connecting and disconnecting the "grounding wire" should produce spark on the plugs.

Connecting and disconnecting the "grounding wire" replicates closing and opening of the points.

Good Fortune! :)

1973 Z1
KZ900 LTD
The following user(s) said Thank You: GPz550D1

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
13 Jun 2017 11:28 - 13 Jun 2017 11:49 #764270 by JR
Replied by JR on topic Kz750G wiring nightmare!
loudhvx wrote

I think he's showing a closeup of the ignition switch (generic, aftermarket, car-type).


Ahhhh, yes. that never occurred to me.
I thought the pic was the 12 V end of an autmobile coil. Hope I hav'nt caused to much confusion

1980 kz750E1, Delkevic exhaust
Last edit: 13 Jun 2017 11:49 by JR.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • Tyrell Corp
  • Offline
  • User
  • "You were made as well as we could make you"
More
13 Jun 2017 12:18 #764276 by Tyrell Corp
Replied by Tyrell Corp on topic Kz750G wiring nightmare!
That's what I was thinking that I shouldn't need an igniter. When I wire the points to the coil and just a straight line from the battery to the coil I'm still not getting any spark. I have the plug pulled and grounded against the engine and nothing sparking across the gap when I crank it.

Seems like a mismatch of contact points twin and transistorised four ignition parts,

1980 Gpz550 D1, 1981 GPz550 D1. 1982 GPz750R1. 1983 z1000R R2. all four aces

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
13 Jun 2017 20:44 #764334 by Mark50
Replied by Mark50 on topic Kz750G wiring nightmare!
Ok so I got it running! Seems the coil was turned backwards.......weird I know.....I turned it around and the damned thing fired right up! Success!
Thanks to all for the input!

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Powered by Kunena Forum