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24 Mar 2012 23:56 #511776
by XL777
2012 Triumph Bonneville SE black
1978 KZ1000 B2 LTD
Fresh top end rebuild
Rebuilt head
Wiseco 1015 pistons
Dyna s
Green Dyna coils
Wired george mod
It is easier to say what I haven't replaced then what I have.
I must love this cruel mistress since she hates me
Replied by XL777 on topic Sudden loss of power
The wire for the tach wraps around the plug wire not the coil sorry.
I'd hope the valves would be ok I just did them less then 600 km ago. However I did do and entire top end head rebuild and bore so some settling could have occurred. I understand poor valve clearance would cause power issues but how would it cause total power failure?
I'd hope the valves would be ok I just did them less then 600 km ago. However I did do and entire top end head rebuild and bore so some settling could have occurred. I understand poor valve clearance would cause power issues but how would it cause total power failure?
2012 Triumph Bonneville SE black
1978 KZ1000 B2 LTD
Fresh top end rebuild
Rebuilt head
Wiseco 1015 pistons
Dyna s
Green Dyna coils
Wired george mod
It is easier to say what I haven't replaced then what I have.
I must love this cruel mistress since she hates me
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25 Mar 2012 08:34 #511824
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76 KZ, frame gusset work,1200CC.Ported by Larry Cavanaugh, 1.5mm.over intakes, Carron Pipe, ZRX12 rear end, and seat,96zx9 front end.
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Replied by mark1122 on topic Sudden loss of power
if valve clearance is too tight, the valve will stay open a bit when it gets hot(expansion), thus loosing compresion, and power.
76 KZ, frame gusset work,1200CC.Ported by Larry Cavanaugh, 1.5mm.over intakes, Carron Pipe, ZRX12 rear end, and seat,96zx9 front end.
01 CBR600F4i Track bike.
Cobourg, Ont. Can.
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25 Mar 2012 15:52 - 25 Mar 2012 16:33 #511893
by XL777
2012 Triumph Bonneville SE black
1978 KZ1000 B2 LTD
Fresh top end rebuild
Rebuilt head
Wiseco 1015 pistons
Dyna s
Green Dyna coils
Wired george mod
It is easier to say what I haven't replaced then what I have.
I must love this cruel mistress since she hates me
Replied by XL777 on topic Sudden loss of power
Thank you OMR for your info through Pm. I have found a possible cause.
First I measured the plug wire, coils, and primary wires.
grey Dyna 8mm suppression wire
1-5.2 ohms
4-4.8 ohms
Primary wire 0.4 ohms - 3 exposed breaks in the wire jacket!!! kinked and aged miss this last year when I did my electrical inspection or recent. - Repaired reads 0.4 ohms
1/4 coil readings
Primary -3 ohm
Secondary - 0 looks like it is dead
grey Dyna 8mm suppression wire
2-4.5 ohms
3-4.8 ohms
Primary wire 0.7 ohms
2/3 coil readings
Primary - 3.5 ohms
Secondary - 13.7K ohms
Looks like a short and bad coil is the issue. Why would this only show up when warm? I was getting spark from all the plugs???
I should add I have the Wired George relay mod as well. The Dyna S is running off the yellow/red wire relay #86 from the kill switch vs the #87 relay powering the coils. Don't know why I did this but power is power so it shouldnt matter right? It worked ha!
Something to note I believe all these years I have had my Dyna S hooked up backwards and WRONG!! I found OMR's Dyna write up and I had my 1/4 black primary wire connected to the Dyna 2/3 black wire! FING dyna manual! How is this even possible I have been riding this bike like this for a few years?
First I measured the plug wire, coils, and primary wires.
grey Dyna 8mm suppression wire
1-5.2 ohms
4-4.8 ohms
Primary wire 0.4 ohms - 3 exposed breaks in the wire jacket!!! kinked and aged miss this last year when I did my electrical inspection or recent. - Repaired reads 0.4 ohms
1/4 coil readings
Primary -3 ohm
Secondary - 0 looks like it is dead
grey Dyna 8mm suppression wire
2-4.5 ohms
3-4.8 ohms
Primary wire 0.7 ohms
2/3 coil readings
Primary - 3.5 ohms
Secondary - 13.7K ohms
Looks like a short and bad coil is the issue. Why would this only show up when warm? I was getting spark from all the plugs???
I should add I have the Wired George relay mod as well. The Dyna S is running off the yellow/red wire relay #86 from the kill switch vs the #87 relay powering the coils. Don't know why I did this but power is power so it shouldnt matter right? It worked ha!
Something to note I believe all these years I have had my Dyna S hooked up backwards and WRONG!! I found OMR's Dyna write up and I had my 1/4 black primary wire connected to the Dyna 2/3 black wire! FING dyna manual! How is this even possible I have been riding this bike like this for a few years?
2012 Triumph Bonneville SE black
1978 KZ1000 B2 LTD
Fresh top end rebuild
Rebuilt head
Wiseco 1015 pistons
Dyna s
Green Dyna coils
Wired george mod
It is easier to say what I haven't replaced then what I have.
I must love this cruel mistress since she hates me
Last edit: 25 Mar 2012 16:33 by XL777.
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27 Mar 2012 01:28 #512245
by XL777
2012 Triumph Bonneville SE black
1978 KZ1000 B2 LTD
Fresh top end rebuild
Rebuilt head
Wiseco 1015 pistons
Dyna s
Green Dyna coils
Wired george mod
It is easier to say what I haven't replaced then what I have.
I must love this cruel mistress since she hates me
Replied by XL777 on topic Sudden loss of power
I did some more checking tonight and found a few oddities
1. Both coils produce a solid spark?
2. Coil 1/4 the bad one has visual cracks along the mounting bracket and cracks around the primary contact!! possibly from a short in the wire I found. That may explain why when it warms up I lose power.
My spark plug tips appear different as well
1-Brown/yellow deposits
4-Brown with black tip
2-black with grey tips
3-black with grey tips
Thirdly, is it possible my Dyna S was made backwards? (Friday special heh) As I mentioned in the last post I had thought I had the lead backwards as I marked them when I took it apart. This may not be the case. I tested it by connecting the leads up as written in OMRs post. White with black heat shrink goes to 1-4, black with green heat shrink goes to 2-3. Well using a test light my F mark reads 2-3 on my 1-4 coil....... reverse them and it works fine and how I was using it...
1. Both coils produce a solid spark?
2. Coil 1/4 the bad one has visual cracks along the mounting bracket and cracks around the primary contact!! possibly from a short in the wire I found. That may explain why when it warms up I lose power.
My spark plug tips appear different as well
1-Brown/yellow deposits
4-Brown with black tip
2-black with grey tips
3-black with grey tips
Thirdly, is it possible my Dyna S was made backwards? (Friday special heh) As I mentioned in the last post I had thought I had the lead backwards as I marked them when I took it apart. This may not be the case. I tested it by connecting the leads up as written in OMRs post. White with black heat shrink goes to 1-4, black with green heat shrink goes to 2-3. Well using a test light my F mark reads 2-3 on my 1-4 coil....... reverse them and it works fine and how I was using it...
2012 Triumph Bonneville SE black
1978 KZ1000 B2 LTD
Fresh top end rebuild
Rebuilt head
Wiseco 1015 pistons
Dyna s
Green Dyna coils
Wired george mod
It is easier to say what I haven't replaced then what I have.
I must love this cruel mistress since she hates me
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27 Mar 2012 10:05 #512269
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Perhaps rotor installed 180° off.
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27 Mar 2012 11:31 - 21 Feb 2013 15:33 #512282
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30 Mar 2012 00:51 #512928
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Well that would be logical but according to the diagram the plate is mounted with the 1/4 in the back and 2/3 forward. As the white lead comes off the 1/4 and that lead is mounted on the plate to the rear it should be setup correct.
Funny thing is I just switched the the leads and it works fine ha.
Now I just have to wait for new coils and test this all again.
2012 Triumph Bonneville SE black
1978 KZ1000 B2 LTD
Fresh top end rebuild
Rebuilt head
Wiseco 1015 pistons
Dyna s
Green Dyna coils
Wired george mod
It is easier to say what I haven't replaced then what I have.
I must love this cruel mistress since she hates me
Replied by XL777 on topic Sudden loss of power
Patton wrote: Perhaps rotor installed 180° off.
Good Fortune!
Well that would be logical but according to the diagram the plate is mounted with the 1/4 in the back and 2/3 forward. As the white lead comes off the 1/4 and that lead is mounted on the plate to the rear it should be setup correct.
Funny thing is I just switched the the leads and it works fine ha.
Now I just have to wait for new coils and test this all again.
2012 Triumph Bonneville SE black
1978 KZ1000 B2 LTD
Fresh top end rebuild
Rebuilt head
Wiseco 1015 pistons
Dyna s
Green Dyna coils
Wired george mod
It is easier to say what I haven't replaced then what I have.
I must love this cruel mistress since she hates me
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30 Mar 2012 17:08 #513055
by XL777
2012 Triumph Bonneville SE black
1978 KZ1000 B2 LTD
Fresh top end rebuild
Rebuilt head
Wiseco 1015 pistons
Dyna s
Green Dyna coils
Wired george mod
It is easier to say what I haven't replaced then what I have.
I must love this cruel mistress since she hates me
Replied by XL777 on topic Sudden loss of power
So I get the newbie award this time YES the rotor was installed 180 off haha thanks Patton please pass me the stupid sign.
Coils are here hope to have it all together tonight. Weather is getting better and the vintage bike show is this weekend so I'm hoping to ride it there!
Coils are here hope to have it all together tonight. Weather is getting better and the vintage bike show is this weekend so I'm hoping to ride it there!
2012 Triumph Bonneville SE black
1978 KZ1000 B2 LTD
Fresh top end rebuild
Rebuilt head
Wiseco 1015 pistons
Dyna s
Green Dyna coils
Wired george mod
It is easier to say what I haven't replaced then what I have.
I must love this cruel mistress since she hates me
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31 Mar 2012 00:26 #513101
by XL777
2012 Triumph Bonneville SE black
1978 KZ1000 B2 LTD
Fresh top end rebuild
Rebuilt head
Wiseco 1015 pistons
Dyna s
Green Dyna coils
Wired george mod
It is easier to say what I haven't replaced then what I have.
I must love this cruel mistress since she hates me
Replied by XL777 on topic Sudden loss of power
Oh ya the beast is alive. Fired up and ran strong.
2012 Triumph Bonneville SE black
1978 KZ1000 B2 LTD
Fresh top end rebuild
Rebuilt head
Wiseco 1015 pistons
Dyna s
Green Dyna coils
Wired george mod
It is easier to say what I haven't replaced then what I have.
I must love this cruel mistress since she hates me
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31 Mar 2012 09:34 #513135
by Old Man Rock
1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter
Phoenix, Az
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.... Ran strong must be an understatement for she must have all kinds of power compared to how she was configured... :laugh: Excellent!
1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter
Phoenix, Az
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