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Seeking z1 frame info 13 Feb 2020 05:38 #819149

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What do 73 to 75 frames sell for ?
Are frames available or hard to come by ?
I can buy a 75 with damaged frame, beyond practical repair.
Advice please.

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Seeking z1 frame info 13 Feb 2020 09:09 #819171

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We see title-less frames, poorly done re-stamps, suspect-stamps and un-stamped / ground frames fairly often for just a few hundred bux. Difficult to ascertain how straight they might be in the field, though.

For reference, there's a 1972 Kawasaki Z1 900 Frame (headstock only) with what seller "claims" :dry: as a clear title on fleaBay , bid with 3 days 8hrs. to go is $275.00.


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Seeking z1 frame info 13 Feb 2020 11:44 #819188

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For $300 I could find a no vin replacement frame or altered vin frame ?
The ebay frames all have significant damage.
Johnny listed a 75 frame on ebay with cut turn signal mounts.
Johnny says the repair is "easy", sure thing, all you have to do is fabricate four complex pieces of metal, make jigs to hold them in place and weld them on, any idiot can do this.
What does a good 73-75 frame sell for ?

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Seeking z1 frame info 13 Feb 2020 13:49 #819203

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I am missing the VIN sticker on the evil bay offer!!!

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Seeking z1 frame info 13 Feb 2020 17:29 #819235

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The front ones mount through the fork ears so are not that difficult to repair. The back ones are a little more difficult as you can see from the photo. It shows the outside of one mount and the inside of the other. They are relatively easy to weld on....IF you have the mounts.

If I were buying a frame one of the things I would be looking at is the down tubes where the front gusset bolt holes (for the oil cooler) are located to see if they are stressed. If so the stress cracks often run into the frame at that point.

I have a couple of Z1B's restored, an '80 KZ1000LTD restored, a 1981 KZ550 restored and a 2008 KLR 650 for off road fun. My wife has a 2019 Suzuki DR 650 for on and off road.
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Seeking z1 frame info 13 Feb 2020 19:02 #819240

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73z1 wrote: For $300 I could find a no vin replacement frame or altered vin frame ?
The ebay frames all have significant damage.
Johnny listed a 75 frame on ebay with cut turn signal mounts.
Johnny says the repair is "easy", sure thing, all you have to do is fabricate four complex pieces of metal, make jigs to hold them in place and weld them on, any idiot can do this.
What does a good 73-75 frame sell for ?


Are you refering to "Johnny" as Johnny Bova from Ohio? Johnny's Vintage Cycles? If so? He is a very trustworthy, knowledgeable Guy! And yes, frames are easy to fix and work on. I have had them cut in pieces, and put back together in the past. Here is a raked KZ frame, that went 130mph in the 1/4 mile. Straight as an arrow. And this was a quick cheap job, Mine!. As we were building the AA/Gasser frame behind it.
Livin in "CheektaVegas, NY
Still have a Kaw! 76 KZ900 Pro-Street.
Went thru 25 of these in 40 yrs.

And The Old Girl, Harley 75 FLH Electra Glide,
Old faithful! Points ign. Bendix Orig. carb.
Starts everytime!

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Seeking z1 frame info 14 Feb 2020 00:39 #819260

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If the frameand engine are original you are much beter off getting it repaired.
1975 Z1 900
1994 KX250 Showroom Resto
2004 KX125

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Seeking z1 frame info 14 Feb 2020 05:02 #819273

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Thanks for the comments.
Please post if you have info.
I want to know what good 73-75 frames sell for.
Hardrock, Z1only, thanks for the photos, this is the type of thing I am trying to avoid.
Yes, Johnny Bova from Johnny's Vintage Cycles.
I have owned four knuckles, very cool bikes, I will post photos.
Nice CB750 frames are easy to find.

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Seeking z1 frame info 14 Feb 2020 05:05 #819274

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Seeking z1 frame info 14 Feb 2020 06:03 #819279

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Hardrockminer: Now that's what I call a wiring diagram in the background of your picture! I need one like that.

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Seeking z1 frame info 14 Feb 2020 16:32 #819332

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Rick H. wrote: Hardrockminer: Now that's what I call a wiring diagram in the background of your picture! I need one like that.

Rick H.


It sucks to get old. But there are ways to get around some of the effects!
I have a couple of Z1B's restored, an '80 KZ1000LTD restored, a 1981 KZ550 restored and a 2008 KLR 650 for off road fun. My wife has a 2019 Suzuki DR 650 for on and off road.

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Seeking z1 frame info 15 Feb 2020 08:34 #819375

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Due to the sound of crickets and no viable information I make another plea ...
If a nice 73 to 75 frame appeared on ebay what do you think it would sell for ?
Estimates, wild guesses, past sales info are all appreciated.

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Seeking z1 frame info 15 Feb 2020 09:02 #819376

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I have seen this seller put up actions for Z1 frames, if I remember correctly they are in the $900.00 dollar range. You can search the internet for a phone number. They are here in Michigan and their shipping is usually pretty reasonable. If you need I would be willing to check it out for you before you buy. Their business is only 45 minutes drive for me.

www.ebay.com/usr/flashback_inc?_trksid=p2047675.l2559
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Seeking z1 frame info 16 Feb 2020 03:05 #819419

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73z1 wrote: Due to the sound of crickets and no viable information I make another plea ...
If a nice 73 to 75 frame appeared on ebay what do you think it would sell for ?
Estimates, wild guesses, past sales info are all appreciated.


You cant pinpoint a dollar amount on something like that. Too many factors like condition, title, low vin, etc. You can buy a 900 dollar frame or a complete bike for 300 (I did). Your best bet is to join the Z1 forums and facebook groups.

But like I said earlier, the original frame should be repaired. Post photos of it.
1975 Z1 900
1994 KX250 Showroom Resto
2004 KX125
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Seeking z1 frame info 16 Feb 2020 04:27 #819420

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Kidkawie's right. A frame is worth what someone is willing to pay.

For reference, this fleaBay seller has a rough, title-less 1975 Z1 frame, admittedly damaged and of questionable provenance, listed for $750.00. He's a very experienced seller, quite familiar with Z-bikes.



Is it priced correctly? Only the open market can determine that.

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Seeking z1 frame info 16 Feb 2020 05:08 #819423

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>>>>> "Kidkawie's right. A frame is worth what someone is willing to pay."
Thanks for the comments.
Everything is worth what someone will pay, a loaf of bread, a mattress, a 72 H2, and a damaged Z1 frame.
I wound not pay $750 for the damaged ebay frame even if I had the brackets, which I do not.
Good CB750 frames are easy to find, Z1 frames are harder to find.
The original frame is in bad shape, no photos, I'll watch ebay.

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Seeking z1 frame info 16 Feb 2020 05:17 #819424

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That frame shows the initial corrections made by KHI to solve the frame cracking problem at the front gusset. Notice that the oil cooler holes were not pre-drilled as with earlier bikes. For older bikes they supplied a brace that was supposed to be installed across the cooler holes. In 1976 they modified the gusset to strengthen this area.

Overall the frame looks not that bad. Maybe Johnny would weld the signal brackets. He's done a lot of Z1 bikes....sells a lot of necessary parts. I bought a refurbished headlight shell from him. Well done.
I have a couple of Z1B's restored, an '80 KZ1000LTD restored, a 1981 KZ550 restored and a 2008 KLR 650 for off road fun. My wife has a 2019 Suzuki DR 650 for on and off road.

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Seeking z1 frame info 16 Feb 2020 07:42 #819426

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Not to mention, you could have two different guys with close engine numbers in a bidding war over a frame.

The numbers are key, if you use another frame you devalue greatly.
1975 Z1 900
1994 KX250 Showroom Resto
2004 KX125

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