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04 Sep 2010 08:07 #396035
by Patton
1973 Z1
KZ900 LTD
Replied by Patton on topic Header pipes: hot and cold?
Old Man Rock wrote:
Or not. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Here's where the Colortune product would come in nicely for trouble shooting....
Or not. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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KZ900 LTD
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04 Sep 2010 08:17 #396037
by Old Man Rock
1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter
Phoenix, Az
Replied by Old Man Rock on topic Header pipes: hot and cold?
Patton.... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
You know this post got me thinking....
Clamp inductive pick ups to amplifier/volt meter inputs...
Measure good cyclinders @ idle and 4Krpm...
Then test again non firing/cold cylinders...
Compare measurements....
Here's what this informs us of...
1) The cylinder is firing Y/N?
No measurement/extreme low means no current flow....
2) Is it conducting to the same current/Voltage potential?
Hmmm, me wonder now.... Would be easy to design/build a milli volt amplifier... Use Old/cheap timing light clamp....
Same time, Fluke already makes a clamp inductive unit for DVM's... so probably easier going this route...
You know this post got me thinking....
Clamp inductive pick ups to amplifier/volt meter inputs...
Measure good cyclinders @ idle and 4Krpm...
Then test again non firing/cold cylinders...
Compare measurements....
Here's what this informs us of...
1) The cylinder is firing Y/N?
No measurement/extreme low means no current flow....
2) Is it conducting to the same current/Voltage potential?
Hmmm, me wonder now.... Would be easy to design/build a milli volt amplifier... Use Old/cheap timing light clamp....
Same time, Fluke already makes a clamp inductive unit for DVM's... so probably easier going this route...
1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter
Phoenix, Az
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04 Sep 2010 10:23 #396050
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Replied by barquirt on topic Header pipes: hot and cold? UPDATE
Got up bright and early to go through the bike ...
Cylinders: DEFINITELY compression is good on all four. The "thumb test" got a definite loud hiss and my thumb was pumped right off the plug hole on all four cylinders.
I have a few KZ bikes so i have switched out the coils/caps with a new ignition from another KZ650 this a.m. to see how that goes.
Also, I plan to rig up a test fuel tank, fill the carbs, then drain them to see how much fuel is getting to each one. If they are all filling, i'll hook up a gauge and check the carb balance.
Right now i am thinking when I rebuilt the carbs i flubbed a step or just plain screwed up the bench sync.
It did run and run fairly smoothly and rev nicely before i started all these checks. So I am of the opinion it isn't something catastrophic just i need to double-check some of my work.
Cylinders: DEFINITELY compression is good on all four. The "thumb test" got a definite loud hiss and my thumb was pumped right off the plug hole on all four cylinders.
I have a few KZ bikes so i have switched out the coils/caps with a new ignition from another KZ650 this a.m. to see how that goes.
Also, I plan to rig up a test fuel tank, fill the carbs, then drain them to see how much fuel is getting to each one. If they are all filling, i'll hook up a gauge and check the carb balance.
Right now i am thinking when I rebuilt the carbs i flubbed a step or just plain screwed up the bench sync.
It did run and run fairly smoothly and rev nicely before i started all these checks. So I am of the opinion it isn't something catastrophic just i need to double-check some of my work.
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09 Sep 2010 11:03 - 09 Sep 2010 11:04 #397285
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Replied by apbling on topic Header pipes: hot and cold? UPDATE
I'd do the clear tube method right away to ensure you are getting the proper fuel height. Measuring the amount of fuel in each carb may be a way to compare, but who is to say that #3 and #4 levels are correct either? Also, the small changes in fuel height might not be very obvious when trying to measure the volume you get by draining them, but have a large impact on how it runs.
BTW, This past weekend I had the same issue on my #2 cylinder. (the colortune showed this to me!) The pilots were clean and the float level was spot on.... Turns out the rubber manifold between the carb and head was leaking a little. So I pulled it off, scraped off the old gasket maker, got some gas resistant gasket maker, threw it back together and now have four idling cylinders.
I just thought of something.... If you choke the bike, does #1 and #2 fire? If you had an air leak or low float height I would think choking it would make them fire. If the pilots were plugged, it might not make a difference.
BTW, This past weekend I had the same issue on my #2 cylinder. (the colortune showed this to me!) The pilots were clean and the float level was spot on.... Turns out the rubber manifold between the carb and head was leaking a little. So I pulled it off, scraped off the old gasket maker, got some gas resistant gasket maker, threw it back together and now have four idling cylinders.
I just thought of something.... If you choke the bike, does #1 and #2 fire? If you had an air leak or low float height I would think choking it would make them fire. If the pilots were plugged, it might not make a difference.
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