Header pipes: hot and cold?
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Re: Header pipes: hot and cold?
04 Sep 2010 08:07
Old Man Rock wrote:
Or not. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Here's where the Colortune product would come in nicely for trouble shooting....
Or not. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Re: Header pipes: hot and cold?
04 Sep 2010 08:17
Patton....
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
You know this post got me thinking....
Clamp inductive pick ups to amplifier/volt meter inputs...
Measure good cyclinders @ idle and 4Krpm...
Then test again non firing/cold cylinders...
Compare measurements....
Here's what this informs us of...
1) The cylinder is firing Y/N?
No measurement/extreme low means no current flow....
2) Is it conducting to the same current/Voltage potential?
Hmmm, me wonder now.... Would be easy to design/build a milli volt amplifier... Use Old/cheap timing light clamp....
Same time, Fluke already makes a clamp inductive unit for DVM's...
so probably easier going this route...

You know this post got me thinking....
Clamp inductive pick ups to amplifier/volt meter inputs...
Measure good cyclinders @ idle and 4Krpm...
Then test again non firing/cold cylinders...
Compare measurements....
Here's what this informs us of...
1) The cylinder is firing Y/N?
No measurement/extreme low means no current flow....
2) Is it conducting to the same current/Voltage potential?
Hmmm, me wonder now.... Would be easy to design/build a milli volt amplifier... Use Old/cheap timing light clamp....
Same time, Fluke already makes a clamp inductive unit for DVM's...

1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter
Phoenix, Az
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter
Phoenix, Az
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Re: Header pipes: hot and cold? UPDATE
04 Sep 2010 10:23
Got up bright and early to go through the bike ...
Cylinders: DEFINITELY compression is good on all four. The "thumb test" got a definite loud hiss and my thumb was pumped right off the plug hole on all four cylinders.
I have a few KZ bikes so i have switched out the coils/caps with a new ignition from another KZ650 this a.m. to see how that goes.
Also, I plan to rig up a test fuel tank, fill the carbs, then drain them to see how much fuel is getting to each one. If they are all filling, i'll hook up a gauge and check the carb balance.
Right now i am thinking when I rebuilt the carbs i flubbed a step or just plain screwed up the bench sync.
It did run and run fairly smoothly and rev nicely before i started all these checks. So I am of the opinion it isn't something catastrophic just i need to double-check some of my work.
Cylinders: DEFINITELY compression is good on all four. The "thumb test" got a definite loud hiss and my thumb was pumped right off the plug hole on all four cylinders.
I have a few KZ bikes so i have switched out the coils/caps with a new ignition from another KZ650 this a.m. to see how that goes.
Also, I plan to rig up a test fuel tank, fill the carbs, then drain them to see how much fuel is getting to each one. If they are all filling, i'll hook up a gauge and check the carb balance.
Right now i am thinking when I rebuilt the carbs i flubbed a step or just plain screwed up the bench sync.
It did run and run fairly smoothly and rev nicely before i started all these checks. So I am of the opinion it isn't something catastrophic just i need to double-check some of my work.
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Re: Header pipes: hot and cold? UPDATE
09 Sep 2010 11:03 - 09 Sep 2010 11:04
I'd do the clear tube method right away to ensure you are getting the proper fuel height. Measuring the amount of fuel in each carb may be a way to compare, but who is to say that #3 and #4 levels are correct either? Also, the small changes in fuel height might not be very obvious when trying to measure the volume you get by draining them, but have a large impact on how it runs.
BTW, This past weekend I had the same issue on my #2 cylinder. (the colortune showed this to me!) The pilots were clean and the float level was spot on.... Turns out the rubber manifold between the carb and head was leaking a little. So I pulled it off, scraped off the old gasket maker, got some gas resistant gasket maker, threw it back together and now have four idling cylinders.
I just thought of something.... If you choke the bike, does #1 and #2 fire? If you had an air leak or low float height I would think choking it would make them fire. If the pilots were plugged, it might not make a difference.
BTW, This past weekend I had the same issue on my #2 cylinder. (the colortune showed this to me!) The pilots were clean and the float level was spot on.... Turns out the rubber manifold between the carb and head was leaking a little. So I pulled it off, scraped off the old gasket maker, got some gas resistant gasket maker, threw it back together and now have four idling cylinders.
I just thought of something.... If you choke the bike, does #1 and #2 fire? If you had an air leak or low float height I would think choking it would make them fire. If the pilots were plugged, it might not make a difference.
Last edit: 09 Sep 2010 11:04 by apbling.
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