Your five worst bikes

1. 1977 Harley Sportster, all around P.O.S.
2.1975 Bultaco 250 Alpina-Lucas electrics and points.
3.2002 Husaberg FX470, ran great if it started,out
of 5 trips to the trails it started good twice.
4.1983 CB1100f-Great looking bike,crappy grabby clutch,
did 130 MPH tank slappers that would fill your shorts.
5.1972 Kawasaki Big Horn-fouled a plug every ride
unless it seized or blew a piston first.Thank God
it came with a warranty.

Out of 14 bikes, all British except this one, I would have to say the '83 GPz1100 in STOCK form was the worst bike I have ever owned. Went like hell but didn't stop. Dangerous antidive forks, top heavy, suspension wallowed even with Progressive forks, really didn't want to turn much less carve through corners. Tried to trade it off for a Brit bike, no luck, tried to sell but would have lost too much so I 'Fightered it and love it now.

my 5 worst bikes are as follow's,
1. 1972 HD sportster shovel head
2. my dad's 65 panhead
3. yahaha virago, the starter went out, push starting sucks
4. my neibhor's honda cb 750 "chopper" looked cool but the wiring was mest up. It was a 50/50 chance of it running.
5. 1978 honda matic, do i need to say more

I have to agree with fossil...For almost new condition..my 84 GPZ750 was horrible, didn't handle and wouldn't stop quick...Honestly, my 81 1100 was a much better bike.

Oh if this is the five worst bikes I have owned then my list only consists of one. 1984 Honda KXL600 (the thumper) this thing was useless on the road and off...I kept it 3 weeks and then I could not take it anymore.

The 5 worst bikes made:
1)That water buffalo thing
2)1980 something Honda 125
3)The Hondamatic
4)The first Honda GL1200
5)Some of the early 70's HD

I've only had three street bikes. All Kawi's, so really no worst bikes. But my LTD 440 was a little small and under powered for a guy my size.

I’ve cried when I sold most my bikes over the years, but I’ve also had a few real winners.
#1. 1990 Yamaha FJ1200. Far and away in the lead of the worst, most hated motorcycle of all time. I can’t express in words how much I hated this motorcycle. Kept it 800 miles and just wanted to beat it death so bad. And still do.
#2. 1983 Honda 750 Interceptor. After being touted as the greatest thing on 2 wheels at the time, what a disappointment. Can’t ride in the hot city because the carbs sitting between 2 hot banks of cylinders would boil the gas and run like crap. Stop for lunch, come out to start, same problem, run the starter for 2 minutes trying to get the vapor locked condition to subside. Kept this one less than 1000 miles. Junk, but not 1/3 as bad as the FJ1200.
#3. Late 80s BMW R100RS. BMW policy of taking everything back to the dealer and letting them do maintenance to keep warranty ruined this one. The old take it in with no problems, pick it up with three got aggravating real quick. Noisy and slow. A lot of “safety” features that ruined the entire bike. I think 1500 miles on this one.
#4. 1989 Kawasaki Concours. Very difficult maintenance, terrible seat, bad bodywork fit. Just not for me. About 1500 miles and bye.
#5. A tough one as I liked all the rest of my bikes I’ve ever owned. I guess 5 would be a 1977 Yamaha XT500. Heavy, burned oil like it was a 2 stroke. Vibrated so bad brackets ect, would crack and things would fall off. Got 4000 miles out of this one. Got smart after this and got my first 1978 KZ650 after that. No problem there.

1. 1970 Kawasaki Coyote What a POS, can't believe I paid the neighbor kid $35.00 for that piece of junk. Little 4 stroke mini bikes are worthless
2. 1977 Sportster ---- AMF stands for what again???? come to think of it, did I ever ride that thing? or just work on it??

That's it, I've liked or really liked every other bike I've owned, just some more than others

OK, OK I take that last sentence back, after reading several following posts, and laughing pretty hard at "Ricks" article there's two more to list.
And, they both have tuning forks.!!??

3. 1973 Yamaha RT1 360. Oh, my god power!!!, Oh, my god,, NO!!! suspension and a @%&##$ to start. Don't let that kicker get away from you, it doesn't nicely lift you off the seat and toss you over the handlebars like my harley did when it kicked back, oh, no, it zips that kicker out from under your foot and slings a slice of meat off the inside of your right leg before you can say @@%^$# !!!!! I sold that thing within a month!! I tried starting with the piston in different spots and even relented and bought a compression release. Heck with it, off it went to some other poor sap. I still admire my scars....and cringe.

4. 1975 Yamaha DT1 250. Here's the "odd" one?? By this time Yamaha was making good stuff? yes? no??

But the front wheel of this enduro had a mind of it's own in the dirt, tried several different tires, no luck, no good, it just went anywhere, absolutely anywhere it wanted, but where I wanted it to go. Cornering was always a mystery, until it was over and you were headed straight into something or other.

The rake or trail or something was way off. I always wanted one, and after I had one I only wanted to get rid of it.

Post edited by: ThousandKaw, at: 2007/08/13 23:10

Post edited by: ThousandKaw, at: 2007/08/13 23:13

Well, this is a LITTLE easier....
1) Anything with tuning forks logos on it. Most of their BIKES are just plain junk. Their IDEAS are great most times.....but the execution of those ideas sucks.
Your "smileage" may have varied but gawd they've built some real clunkers......
2) 1968 Honda 305 Dream....more like a nightmare. Overweight, underpowered, handled like an elephant with a hernia and the brakes were downright dangerous. Should have bought a SuperHawk instead....
3) 1967 Triumph Daytona. Took 4 days to go 750 miles because the SOB was broke down more hours than it ran...
and that was after an overhaul !!! The financial, physical and mental pain still hasn't receded....
4) 1982 CBX. What a brute of a bike. This one was borrowed, not owned, but scared the living bejeezus out of me. Anyone who can ride a stock one really fast/quick has my undying admiration. I always wanted a 6 cylinder Honda but after riding one I'm eternally grateful I never had the money when they were new.
I still get the shivers thinking about it....
5) Any 60's or 70's Spanish-made dirt bikes. The component "quality" was worse than awful and the assembly was worse than that. Those bikes made the Vega and Pinto look like Rolls-Royces. There wasn't a tear shed when Bultaco, Ossa and Montesa all went broke.

83-84 gpz1100 fuel injection sucked,got smoked by z1 with juice.would like to have it back now though! h2 750,road it for 2-3 months deahtrap! 82 suzuki gs1100e,only bike i ever snapped a crank on!:whistle:

Well I rememberd an article I read on quite a similar subject so thanks to google and a little cut-n-paste plagiarism I present an article by the single greatest motorcycle editor/reporter/riter of all time, Rick Seimen aka Superhunky.

Ten Worst Dirt Bikes of All Time
by: Rick Sieman





Pick the Top Ten Worst Dirt Bikes of All Time? Wow! Where does one start? Surely not with the current crop of dirt bikes. You would be hard-pressed to find a genuine lemon among the new iron-but how far back do you go?

After all, before the dirt bike boom (circa 1970), there were a lot of clunkers being foisted off on an unsuspecting public. So, after considerable thinking (about ten minutes) I decided to limit the selection to dirt bikes that I actually tested. This meant that our starting year was 1970. And this makes a great deal of sense, in that the dirt bike boom started in the late '60s.

WHAT MAKES A BAD BIKE?
I feel that a truly bad bike should have few-if any-redeeming values. There have been great-handling bikes with fragile engines and transmissions. There have been powerful machines with less than stellar handling-and then machines with a bit of both.
The real losers, though, are those with more faults than virtues. Machines that will spit you off for no apparent reason. Or bikes that are so dull and listless that you'd rather be riding in a Buick station wagon with the windows rolled up. Then you have dirt bikes that have all the reliability of a candle in a windstorm.

FLAWED WINNERS
Throughout the years, I have fallen in love with flawed-but great-machines. Consider the Maicos of the early and mid-'70s. They required a great deal of prep, set- up and TLC, but when they were dialed in nothing else could run with them. Riders put up with a wimpy primary chain drive, reluctant clutches and bogus ignitions.

Think about the CZs of that same period. Heavy. Crude. Poor shocks. But almost unbreakable.

How about the various Spanish bikes? All built from inferior materials, but they were speedy and handled like magic. Those who took the time to learn how to live with them were rewarded with stunning handling and correct powerbands. Novice riders who bought the Bultacos, Ossas and Montesas of that period ended up pulling out their hair by the handful, promptly sold the strange beasts and then bought reliable Japanese mounts.

Then we had the off-brands: Puch, DKW, AJS, KTM, Penton, Sachs, Greeves, American Eagle, Rickman, Rokon, Harley-Davidson, Steens, Bridgestone, Bronco Apache, Chaparral, Carabela, Cooper, Monark, Zundapp, Yankee and a few others that will probably come to mind later on.

ODDITIES THAT BOGGLE THE MIND!
Some truly strange things have appeared on dirt bikes. Consider the following:

The Bridgestone Hurricane Scramblers of the late '60s and early '70s had a rotary shift pattern that was bizarre beyond belief! You would shift up through all six gears, then when you hit the shifter one more time it would go back to low gear. Imagine the surprise when the rider was in top gear, all tucked in and howling down a fire road, and snicked the lever one more time, only to be greeted with low gear and 11 million instant rpm!
Rokon came out with the first automatic trans (actually, a torque converter) with the power delivered via a rubber belt. This beast also had to be started like a lawn mower; you had to pull a stupid rope. When it got hard to start, you would be sucking wind in a hurry. When that torque converter belt got wet, it would slip and smoke like a worm on a barbecue.
Greeves found out that the kickstarter would not clear the footpeg when starting, so you had to fold up the peg by hand and hook it onto a restraining ring. Nice touch.
Numerous Euro bikes came with paper filters. When the engine backfired, the premix would saturate the paper and it would pass about the same amount of air as a can of peaches. If you rode through water, your ride was over. Gag, puke, cough, wheeze.
The IRZ carburetor. It came stock on Ossas and was virtually untunable. This wretched carb had two needles and two completely separate fuel circuits. Taking it apart required the patience of Job and the hands of a brain surgeon. Putting it back together was even worse. Jets were expensive and nearly impossible to find. Some fun.
Hatta forks. They came stock on various Kawasaki "enduro" bikes. The ads billed them as "101 ways adjustable, unfortunately, none of them were correct. Mr Hatta designed landing gear for bombers during World War II and was quoted as saying, "It's easy to make a suspension for a bomber. It only has to stroke once. A motor cycle is confusing. It has to stroke numerous times."
REAL LOSERS!
When all things are considered, a list of duds is crystal clear. The following is a compilation of dirt bikes that meet all the requirements of what is truly bad. It's based on frightening traits, unreliability, poor handling, mechanical woes, dumb engineering, freaky response and un-fun riding feel.

THE LIST!
10. 1974 HUSKY 450 DESERT MASTER. The head engineer, Reuben Helmen, designed this lost cause at the urging of his cousin- who he promptly disowned. This bike was 35 pounds heavier than previous Huskies, worlds slower, had an awkwardly spaced gearbox and a stupid power curve. It also had ancient Girling shocks that lived to puke seals and forks that had more metal shavings than fork oil in each leg. The exhaust burned your leg, brakes were gruesome and shifting was ugly. It also seeped mung and drool out of every gasket surface. Handling was best described as spooky. The engine pinged like it was running on kerosene and items fell off the bike like they were held on with Scotch tape.

9. 1981 HONDA CR450. Actually, it was a 430. A 430 with a hopelessly spaced four- speed gearbox and a powerband like the tip on an X-Acto blade. It shook the steering head like someone removed the bearings, and tracked like a buffalo on steroids. The front number plate looked like a hangnail, and the suspension was a mass of confused Showa leftovers that didn't like each other. -This bike would get into a high-speed wobble at 38 mph, stalled easily and the odd spacing in the gear box always kept you over-revving the engine or bogging below the power curve.

Oh sure, it had a lot of power, but the power delivery was freaky. It would either hit hard, or hesitate, but you were never sure which would happen. Geared for off-road use, low gear would take you out to 45 mph, while fourth gear might squeak up to 80. Topping off its list of bad habits was that it was hard to start when cold, harder to start if you dropped it and when it got hot, and it tended to foul plugs and ping.

8._ROKON 340. Brought out in the mid'70s, the Rokon was supposed to be the answer for those of us who hated to shift. All versions of the Rokon were very heavy, and loved to plow straight-on ahead, even if you sort of wanted to turn at the time.
To start the big Sachs engine you had to tug at a rope-starter, which took a strong arm and an even stronger patience level. It came poorly jetted, and when it loaded up you would rip half the calluses off your hand before getting things spinning.
We talked about the belt drive earlier, and the less said about this the better. The thing was fast and had disc brakes to slow it down. Sadly, they worked intermittently, and the master cylinder often boiled over, leaving you with a lever that came back to the grip and a corner that rushed up to meet you. Gearing down was impossible with the torque converter, which meant you free- wheeled into turns and down hills. Spooky.

7._YAMAHA SC-500 SCRAMBLER. Another four-speed brute, this 1973-'74 two-stroke single ran hot, detonated fiercely, stalled constantly and seized regularly. After testing the bike, I noted: "It's gray and black; so is a turkey." Brutally fast, the SC-500 was cursed with state-of-the-dark forks and a pair of chromed shocks that would have faded on a busy barroom door. It shook its steering head like a dog coming out of a swimming pool and the rear end hopped around like the frame had a hinge in the middle. All things considered, the only thing this bike did right was not leak around the gas cap.



6. HARLEY-DAVIDSON BAJA 100. H-D brought this little stinker out to capture the small-bore trail bike market that was dominated by Hodaka at the time-the early '70s. They contracted with the Italian Aermacchi factory, which responded with a hopelessly tall, short-wheelbased, underpowered, ill-handling package that nearly defied belief.
Still, H-D put together a desert racing team that started to dominate the trail bike class, so people went out and bought the Bajas in droves, only to find out they weren't buying what was being raced.

The race bikes had everything changed! The stock bikes came with rigid footpegs, no horsepower to speak of, a huge overlay sprocket on the rear wheel that constantly came loose, a tank shaped like a mailbox, a saddle that felt like plywood and a strange metal hook strategically placed to rip your crotch off if you crashed. It also had stupid bars, dumb fat grips from a street bike and a suspension that had more side-to-side travel than up-and-down stroke. I called it "a re-hashed Italian street bike with no redeeming traits." Yes, we promptly lost the H-D ads at the magazine.

5. CZ 250 ENDURO. It was hard to believe that CZ would foist a pile like this mid-'70s bummer off on the public, but they did. Seeing a chance to get a piece of the enduro market, they simply took a late '60s frame, a dated engine, electrics that would have trouble lighting-off an .049" model airplane engine and suspension components that did little more than hold up the bike.

It had rigid footpegs, a huge, bulbous tank, an exhaust that burned the leg, a speedo that didn't work and various bits and pieces that were attached with pure afterthought technology. The first time I fired up our test bike, the horn fell off on the ground. After I rode the bike 100 yards, the battery fell out and the wiring loom melted. In the next 20 minutes, the plug cap came off, the air filter fell off, the muffler cracked and wedged into the rear wheel, the gas cap leaked, both fuel lines cracked, a tire went flat and the throttle stuck wide open.

The feeble engine was also horribly over-geared, the kickstarter would stick on the frame, fork seals weeped like a garden hose and the motor mounts fell out. This mount signaled the beginning of the end for CZ sales in the United States, and rightfully so.

4. YAMAHA YZ490 (MOST YEARS). Yamaha introduced the YZ 490 in 1982, after a solid run with the YZ465. Sadly, the 490 was heavier than the 465, nowhere near as reliable, horribly difficult to start (hot or cold), came with a grim suspension, vibrated enough to bring blisters to your hands and was impossible to jet.

If you jetted it rich enough to keep this dog from seizing, it would blubber, puke, foul plugs and produce no power. If you jetted it to run strong, it would invariably seize. It came with air leaks, a wandering ignition, gimpy motor mounts and the worst case of Yamahop at high speeds since the original DT-1. Yamaha issued a mountain of service bulletins to try to fix the problems. None of them worked.

3. PENTON 125 MUD LARK. In 1973, John Penton was selling some great race and enduro bikes that were being produced by KTM in Austria. However, he was forced to buy a whole load of the Sachs 125B engines in order to get a supply of the "good" engines. So, to get rid of the B engines, John contracted with Wassel, an English fabricator, and they threw together a frame, a set of wretched Betor forks, ginky shocks and a layout that made you feel like you were sitting on the edge of a pinball machine.

John called it the Penton Trials, but not even Batman could have ridden it in a trials event. There was no power at all, the gearbox was spaced oddly and it wouldn't turn without plowing the front end. So, in desperation, John renamed it the Mud Lark, a sort of all-purpose play machine. In fact, it was a no-purchase dirt bike, and will go down in history as one of the few bad business decisions ever made by savvy John Penton.

2. ANY THREE-WHEELER. Yup, the All- Terrain Cycle, or ATC, was introduced by Honda to let people who didn't have the skills to balance a regular two-wheeled bike ride in the dirt. Cute little buggers, the ATCs sold like crazy. Then savvy people started noticing that they handled like a shopping cart loaded with bowling balls with one locked front wheel going down a flight of stairs.

People started doing wonderful things like riding over their own legs and biffing over
the bars when the things got into a high- speed wobble-you know, anything over 20 mph. Suspension on these early three-wheelers? Nothing. Zip. Nada. Zero. Just three balloon tires were there to take the impacts.

As the years passed, the ATVs got more and more powerful and they gave them forks and shocks. This let the unstable triangle wallow around, as well as defy the laws of physics when trying to turn. The rest is history. Three-wheelers are no longer being made. However, be warned! They're still out there, wiggling and lurching around the trails and sandpits of America.

1. And the winner (or loser, actually) is:

THE 1971 SUZUKI TM-400R CYCLONE! It weighed 242 pounds, dry, and delivered about 40 hp at 6850 rpm. Sometimes it delivered it at 4400 rpm. At other times, it would deliver it just when you least expected it. You see, the Cyclone had a weird ignition that would go from a starting mode to full advance whenever it felt like it. Even a change in temperature would change the power hit.

Picture this: you're exiting a hard- packed turn in second gear and you roll the throttle on. All of a sudden, the engine lurches into the fat part of the power curve and the rear end leaps out about three feet. The chassis shudders and sends you sailing into the clear blue sky in a nice arc. Moments later, you thump into the ground, painfully, and then a microsecond after that, the Cyclone lands on top of you.

Adding to the bizarre powerband was a set of forks that went rigid on square bumps and rear shocks that faded from anything hotter than headlight glare. Many companies produced endless handling and frame modification kits. None of these things seemed to help much, but the bike cost only $995 brand new and people kept buying them, trying to make them work. They all failed, to one degree or another, to tame the Cyclone.

The legacy of the TM-400 can be summed up in an ad that appeared in a newspaper:

"For sale-1972 Suzuki TM-400. Only ten hours on bike. Possible injury forces sale. $500 or best offer."

I remember that article,spot on journalism.
I wonder How the HD Sprint dodged his list?