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Kiwi Z1R 07 Aug 2016 05:11 #737689

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Tune-A-Fish wrote: On board.
Looks like your well on your way to fulfilling a dream... Nice work and the paint looks right from here.

I would like to ask a favor while your at this stage and things are accessible.

I am building a KZ1R Modified/clone and I need some measurements for mounting the Z1R seat and tail lock, specifically I really need template drawings of the front two pocket brackets and the aft latch bracket also locating measurements from say o/c of the cross bar or something shared with the KZ frame.

One more thing, if you do get rid of the after market side cover I still need both so PM me a price should you let it go please.

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Sweet as mate, more than happy to help. I will get in the shed tomorrow and do some measuring for you. You build look sweet, what frame are you using?


Thank you very much sir!
The frame is build date 1976/77 KZ1000 A
I would love to pay a sack of gold teeth for one of those gauge brackets also :cheer:

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Kiwi Z1R 07 Aug 2016 05:24 #737690

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Looking good B)

A few more clocks and you have cockpit like a Spitfire.

A question about wheel balancing.
I read that you use glass balancing beads, is it just a case of dropping them in and start riding?
And what is the round aluminum thing on the rim?
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Kiwi Z1R 07 Aug 2016 22:47 #737787

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Tune-A-Fish wrote:

larriken wrote:

Tune-A-Fish wrote: On board.
Looks like your well on your way to fulfilling a dream... Nice work and the paint looks right from here.

I would like to ask a favor while your at this stage and things are accessible.

I am building a KZ1R Modified/clone and I need some measurements for mounting the Z1R seat and tail lock, specifically I really need template drawings of the front two pocket brackets and the aft latch bracket also locating measurements from say o/c of the cross bar or something shared with the KZ frame.

One more thing, if you do get rid of the after market side cover I still need both so PM me a price should you let it go please.

my project:


Sweet as mate, more than happy to help. I will get in the shed tomorrow and do some measuring for you. You build look sweet, what frame are you using?


Thank you very much sir!
The frame is build date 1976/77 KZ1000 A
I would love to pay a sack of gold teeth for one of those gauge brackets also :cheer:

Tune


You are more than welcome to the gauge brackets but they are the rejects. All bent to buggery. Happy to send them to you for the cost of the postage. B)

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Kiwi Z1R 07 Aug 2016 22:50 #737788

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Wiers wrote: Looking good B)

A few more clocks and you have cockpit like a Spitfire.

A question about wheel balancing.
I read that you use glass balancing beads, is it just a case of dropping them in and start riding?
And what is the round aluminum thing on the rim?
Eric


Yep, pretty close to be honest!



Not sure on the glass beads as it was a mate of mine that put the tyres on for me. Will ask him. The alloy bit was a plug made to fill the hole where the wheel locks came through. I have put tubeless tyres on the rims.
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Kiwi Z1R 07 Aug 2016 22:51 #737789

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Holy shit the canoe from Canada finally arrived!!! Three and half months later but I finally have a left switch block! Happy days.
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Kiwi Z1R 12 Aug 2016 18:59 #738449

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Tune-A-Fish wrote: On board.
Looks like your well on your way to fulfilling a dream... Nice work and the paint looks right from here.

I would like to ask a favor while your at this stage and things are accessible.

I am building a KZ1R Modified/clone and I need some measurements for mounting the Z1R seat and tail lock, specifically I really need template drawings of the front two pocket brackets and the aft latch bracket also locating measurements from say o/c of the cross bar or something shared with the KZ frame.

One more thing, if you do get rid of the after market side cover I still need both so PM me a price should you let it go please.

my project:


Let me know what else you need.



















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Kiwi Z1R 12 Aug 2016 19:08 #738451

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On a complete side note if you noticed the big ol Victory bagger in the background in a few shots......................it's finally finished and going back to it's owner. Least I get me bench back. Came out pretty good too!







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Kiwi Z1R 12 Aug 2016 19:09 #738452

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.......................and one sad little Z1R lol :laugh:
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Kiwi Z1R 14 Aug 2016 12:45 #738633

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Re:Kiwi Z1R 14 Aug 2016 14:22 #738642

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Hey Larriken, I've been meaning to ask. What oil do you use for engine break in after a rebuild?

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Re:Kiwi Z1R 14 Aug 2016 14:37 #738645

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Rustyhama wrote: Hey Larriken, I've been meaning to ask. What oil do you use for engine break in after a rebuild?

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I think the recommended is 10w-40 but I always use the heavier 20w-50.

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Re:Kiwi Z1R 14 Aug 2016 14:40 #738646

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I'm after a specific brand / type, I understand synthetic is a no no, I was just hoping you had a tried and true, go to option that was readily available in NZ. Please and thank you.

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Re:Kiwi Z1R 14 Aug 2016 14:48 #738650

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I just did a little research, Castrol GTX 20w-50 looks like a good option

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Re:Kiwi Z1R 14 Aug 2016 14:57 #738656

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I am surprised that you have not already gotten 5-600 replies to this oil question.

Some say to use the cheapest crap around.
Some say to use name brand regular oil (non-synthetic)
Some swear by this-
www.summitracing.com/search/product-line...r-break-in-motor-oil
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Re:Kiwi Z1R 14 Aug 2016 15:05 #738659

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I stopped using Castrol two years ago. They changed the formulation. Not good for the clutch. I run Rotilla and it stopped burning oil. No problems. Instead of using cheap oil, I can get a gallon for $13. Might as well use the good stuff at that price. B)
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Re:Kiwi Z1R 14 Aug 2016 15:18 #738663

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Rustyhama wrote: I'm after a specific brand / type, I understand synthetic is a no no, I was just hoping you had a tried and true, go to option that was readily available in NZ. Please and thank you.

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Belray Mineral 20w-50 and you can pick it up in most bike shops mate.

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Re:Kiwi Z1R 14 Aug 2016 17:49 #738681

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Rustyhama wrote: I'm after a specific brand / type, I understand synthetic is a no no, I was just hoping you had a tried and true, go to option that was readily available in NZ. Please and thank you.

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Not true. Full synthetic, partial-synthetic, or non-synthetic all work fine IF they carry the "JASO_MA" certification.

KZ bikes need oil which is suitable for wet clutches. That distinction was defined by the Japanese Engine Oil Standards Implementation Panel (JASO), and can be noted by oils that meet the "4T” (4 cycle) specification, MA (wet clutch) classification. These oils, which include various synthetic, semi-synthetic, and non-synthetic oils, are sold as specific motorcycle oils. Another type of oil which works well in our bikes is diesel engine oil. These oils are governed by the API (American Petroleum Institute) CI-4/CJ-4 spec and don’t contain clutch-damaging EC additives. You can even purchase Shell Rotella oil which holds a “JASO-MA” certification assuring it will get along well with your wet clutch. All of these newer oils have a reduced ZDDP level too (about 1/3 less than before instead of ½ like the auto oils) but the substitute additives get along better with our bikes needs than automotive oil. Oils that do not hold the JASO-MA rating have either failed the wet clutch test or have not been tested for use in engines with wet clutches.

Personally, I use Mobil-1 Racing 4T full synthetic oil; I've been using it for 9 years and it works great. UNLIKE the Mobil-1 automobile oils it carries the JASO_MA certification so it is suitable for wet clutches. Ed
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Re:Kiwi Z1R 14 Aug 2016 20:55 #738700

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650ed wrote:

Rustyhama wrote: I'm after a specific brand / type, I understand synthetic is a no no, I was just hoping you had a tried and true, go to option that was readily available in NZ. Please and thank you.

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Not true. Full synthetic, partial-synthetic, or non-synthetic all work fine IF they carry the "JASO_MA" certification.

KZ bikes need oil which is suitable for wet clutches. That distinction was defined by the Japanese Engine Oil Standards Implementation Panel (JASO), and can be noted by oils that meet the "4T” (4 cycle) specification, MA (wet clutch) classification. These oils, which include various synthetic, semi-synthetic, and non-synthetic oils, are sold as specific motorcycle oils. Another type of oil which works well in our bikes is diesel engine oil. These oils are governed by the API (American Petroleum Institute) CI-4/CJ-4 spec and don’t contain clutch-damaging EC additives. You can even purchase Shell Rotella oil which holds a “JASO-MA” certification assuring it will get along well with your wet clutch. All of these newer oils have a reduced ZDDP level too (about 1/3 less than before instead of ½ like the auto oils) but the substitute additives get along better with our bikes needs than automotive oil. Oils that do not hold the JASO-MA rating have either failed the wet clutch test or have not been tested for use in engines with wet clutches.

Personally, I use Mobil-1 Racing 4T full synthetic oil; I've been using it for 9 years and it works great. UNLIKE the Mobil-1 automobile oils it carries the JASO_MA certification so it is suitable for wet clutches. Ed


Legend reply! Thanks Ed.

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Re:Kiwi Z1R 15 Aug 2016 00:19 #738714

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Yep, I'm down with the diesel engine oil, Shell Rimula (same as Rotella) for general usage. I was interested in ideas for the initial break-in period as per this guide. www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
Thanks for all the responses, sorry Larriken for hijacking your thread!

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