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'78 KZ1000 makeover 10 Jul 2012 10:15 #535036

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talk about danged ol' vroom vroom man, :woohoo: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Slow progress is still progress!

Must have missed it, but what is the purpose of the support plate? Is it basically another engine mount (located where all the torque is transferred from the engine to the chain)?
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'78 KZ1000 makeover 10 Jul 2012 15:33 #535091

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When running an offset sprocket, you are putting excessive leverage on the output shaft and the output shaft bearing. The outboard bearing support removes that leverage, or at the very least greatly reduces it. I needed it because my offset is so high. Now I get to start taking her back apart!
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porchev914 wrote: When running an offset sprocket, you are putting excessive leverage on the output shaft and the output shaft bearing. The outboard bearing support removes that leverage, or at the very least greatly reduces it. I needed it because my offset is so high. Now I get to start taking her back apart!


Ahh ok. Didn't catch the large offset part. Back on track.
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Yeah, that's the rub Mark. Most people running modern swingarms can use 1/2" or 5/8" offset sprockets. Those will still fit inside a stock cover with some tweaking. But 1.24" offset is considerably more than I want to subject my new output shaft bearing to, and i can't run the stock cover, so the decision was pretty much made for me :P
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No worries! That seems like a very good idea for all bikes making 100+ horsepower. Along with the frame flexing, the tiny motor mounts in the Zs were a known weak area. The plate would eliminate the flex from the output shaft to the chain - so the horsepower would get right to the chain, right?
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That's pretty much it Mark. You got it B)
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mtbspeedfreak wrote: No worries! That seems like a very good idea for all bikes making 100+ horsepower. Along with the frame flexing, the tiny motor mounts in the Zs were a known weak area. The plate would eliminate the flex from the output shaft to the chain - so the horsepower would get right to the chain, right?


its more a case of preventing damage to the shaft. nothing worse than a pain in the shaft. :)
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how are things going on this? little bits here and there? I'm tempted to come up there with some motivation. hope all is well.

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You know what Josh, I think I might need to take you up on that offer. I haven't touched my bike, or anything in my garage for that matter since its been so freaking hot and humid here. Now thats its cooling off, I am jonsing to tear the bike back down and clean it up. I'm thinking today is a good day to organize my garage so I can move around and get stuff done :whistle:
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'78 KZ1000 makeover 26 Aug 2012 15:53 #544878

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Nice work on the support!!! :woohoo:
what clutch slave are you using?
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I know it sounds crazy, but I think I'm gonna stick with the old cable system. I do have a hydraulic slave from a RF900 laying around, but I don't have the master to go with it. Now if I can only get Josh and Mark up here on the same day to work on my bike for me I can post some progress! :P
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'78 KZ1000 makeover 27 Aug 2012 08:59 #545011

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Doesn't sound crazy to me. After having a slave cylinder fail in a car's hydraulic clutch I'm no big fan. Cable is much easier to maintain and, if necessary, replace. Ed
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650ed wrote: Doesn't sound crazy to me. After having a slave cylinder fail in a car's hydraulic clutch I'm no big fan. Cable is much easier to maintain and, if necessary, replace. Ed


far more cables fail than hydro. what would u rather have,for reliability, cable brakes, or hydro?

my cable drive worm gear keeps getting dirty and that makes it feel rough at the lever.
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porchev914 wrote: I know it sounds crazy, but I think I'm gonna stick with the old cable system. I do have a hydraulic slave from a RF900 laying around, but I don't have the master to go with it. Now if I can only get Josh and Mark up here on the same day to work on my bike for me I can post some progress! :P


i wish i lived closer. i would love to help.
what master brake r u using?
i have a spare master (clutch and brake) from a zx. ;)
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i am a cable operated clutch guy myself.

prolly stems from my time flattrack racing,you just don't have any "feel" with a hydraulic clutch.

the hydro is either on or off,the cable you can "feel" better.

if that means anything to you.

can't expect some hammer fisted woodworker (mark :silly: ) to be able to tell any difference tho :P .

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sounds good to me, lets try to figure out a day that works.

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531blackbanshee wrote: i am a cable operated clutch guy myself.

prolly stems from my time flattrack racing,you just don't have any "feel" with a hydraulic clutch.

the hydro is either on or off,the cable you can "feel" better.

if that means anything to you.

can't expect some hammer fisted woodworker (mark :silly: ) to be able to tell any difference tho :P .

leon


:) :P :laugh: :lol: :silly: :pinch:


as always my freind, i value your experience and input.

I do agree with u Leon, 100%. and if i was drag raceing i would go cable.
but for a street ride i dont feel that its so important. just like a harley guy is happy with his bikes,handling. there is a huge range of acceptability when it comes to street stuff as aposed to track stuff.
1 thing, that i know from experience, is that u can get a lot of feel from the hydaulic brakes . i must rely on feel to feather the brakes from full on , to minimum, just before the apex of a turn, after a long straight away, at the track.
But I dont have the experience to say why that doesnt translate to the clutch side?? maybe we just need a better lever ratio on the clutch. dif ratio's play a big role in feel ,on the brake side.

And u might be surprised at how much feel goes into the FINER details of woodworking. :)
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Mark, I think Leon was comparing you to a woman's approach to wood working, could be wrong. :whistle: :laugh: I my self like cable, you get feed back, brakes are progressive in feel, clutch isn't but I'm working on hydraulic setup for a full dragbike. Solenoid release with an adjustable bleed. Tried the air setup but it wasn't consistent, I think it had to do with air is compressible and fluids aren't.

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I never had a problem with the stock cable set up besides replacing a fraying cable. I have a hydraulic on my Bandit 1200, and I'm not very fond of it. It works, and it is consistant, but I'm just so used to the feel of a cable on all of my dirt bikes and most all of my past street bikes. The GSXR1000 perch is cable and I plan to run all of the switch housings and controls. I may try a hydro unit one of these days down the road, but for now I'll keep it simple. I think I've complicated plenty of stuff on the bike already :whistle: :P Thanks for the comments Les, Mark Leon ;)
Yeah Josh, lets get together. Did you ever try another starter cover?
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