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1978 kz650 overflow problem 10 Jun 2014 09:45 #636036

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I hadn't run my bike this year and noticed a few weeks ago when I started it that gas would pour out of the second carb overflow hose. I took them off and the float valve looks okay, doesn't seem gunked up and the float moves freely. I read that it could be a crack or something in the car itself, meaning it's junk. I looked through some other posts and can't seem to find anything that matches my situation. It looks like most of the time its just buildup in the valve. I've had the bike for two years and I've just tried to learn about it as problems arise, so don't underestimate the possibility of me missing something really obvious here in my diagnosis of the problem.

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1978 kz650 overflow problem 10 Jun 2014 10:25 #636041

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If your bike has the stock petcock you may want to check to ensure fuel isn't flowing from the petcock vacuum line into the #2 carb. Pull the vacuum line off the carb and see if any fuel is coming through the line; it should not be. If it is, you need to rebuild or replace the petcock. Assuming that test shows no petcock problem; the following applies:

Fuel coming out of the overflow hose (the little hose on the bottom of the carb) is the common symptom of the 3 possible problems described below. Remember - NO SMOKING or other activities that could ignite the fuel while working on carbs!

The float valve is not sealing.
This may be (and probably is) just a matter of some minor dirt in the float valve and is very simple to remedy and can be done with the carbs still on the bike. Turn off fuel; drain carb by loosening big brass screw near bottom; and remove the 4 little screws on the bottom of the carb bowl. This will enable you to remove the carb bowl. You will then see the float. If you carefully remove the float you will see a stubby little needle that mates with a brass orifice; together, these two pieces are the float valve. Assuming there is no obvious damage to the needle or seat, use a Q-tip and some carb cleaner to clean the seat of the orifice and the needle. Be careful not to bend the tang that is attached to the float. This tang is the piece that the bottom of the float valve needle rests upon, and it determines the fuel level in the bowl, so bending it will change the fuel level. With the float valve cleaned it should no longer leak. To prevent a re-occurrence a quality inline fuel filter should be installed between the fuel tank and carbs. If there was damage the needle and seat should be replaced as a set; they are available.

The brass overflow tube inside the carb bowl is damaged
. When you remove the carb bowl you will see a brass tube attached inside and rising toward the top of the bowl. This is the overflow tube and it leads directly to the overflow nipple on the bottom of the carb. Normally, the fuel level within the bowl rises somewhat close to the top of this tube. If the tube becomes cracked or separates from the bottom of the carb bowl fuel will flow through it and out through the overflow hose. Checking the condition of the tube is very easy after you have removed the carb bowl from the carb. Simply hold the bowl level and fill it up near the top of the tube with water or alcohol and see if it leaks. A slight crack in the brass overflow tube can be difficult to find. You can connect a rubber tube to the overflow nipple, fill the bowl with water, put finger over the open end of the brass overflow tube and blow in the rubber end and look for bubbles. If it does the best remedy is to replace it although some folks have found creative ways to repair them.

The fuel level is set too high. This condition occurs when someone has bent the float tang as mentioned above. This condition can be checked using what is referred to as the "clear tube test." The test involves attaching one end of a clear piece of flexible tubing to the carb drain hole and holding the other end of the tube above the bowl/carb joint. When the fuel is turned on it should rise in the tube to a level 2.5 - 4.5 mm below the bowl/carb joint. If the fuel rises higher than that level it may run into the cylinders or over the upper end of the brass overflow inside the carb bowl (mentioned above) in which case it will run out the overflow hose. This condition is corrected by removing the float and gently bending the tang to raise the float valve needle position. Doing this may take several tries before achieving the desired fuel level.

Correcting each of these three conditions involves removing the carb bowl. This task can be made easier if a short screwdriver bit is used, and depending on which carb you are fixing a mirror may help you locate the screws on the bottom of the carb bowl. Also, it is not a bad idea to have a new carb bowl gasket available in case the old gasket is damaged while removing the carb bowl. Ed
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1978 kz650 overflow problem 18 Jun 2014 18:55 #637126

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Thanks for all the info. I had already taken everything off, but I don't recall seeing any fuel coming from the vacuum hose. The tank is removed now and the petcock is in the ON position and nothing is coming out of the fuel or vacuum lines. Fuel comes out the fuel line if I switch to prime, but only on that setting. Would I need to run the bike to check if there is fuel coming from the vacuum hose?

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NickL wrote: Thanks for all the info. I had already taken everything off, but I don't recall seeing any fuel coming from the vacuum hose. The tank is removed now and the petcock is in the ON position and nothing is coming out of the fuel or vacuum lines. Fuel comes out the fuel line if I switch to prime, but only on that setting. Would I need to run the bike to check if there is fuel coming from the vacuum hose?


You may want to give it a try just to be sure. You could temporarily use clear tubing so you could see if fuel is being drawn through it. Ed
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1978 kz650 overflow problem 29 Jul 2014 11:07 #641876

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Never got back to you. But wanted to say thanks for the info. I didn't see anything gunked up initially when I just took off the bowl, but a friend helped me and took the jet out and it was dirty up inside it. Problem solved.

I appreciate it man.

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I'm glad the info helped. Ed
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