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I ride my little KZ with more HD's then I do metric bike's.
We're all buddy's and flick shit back and forth but my HD buddy's
will tell any HD rider not to fuck with my little bike it'll bound their ass.
Then the shit talkin start's till I pull out a hand full
of cash and call them out then it's back pedalin with one reason or another
why we can't race.

I will ride with anyone I don't care what you ride but don't talk shit about
my bike I don't do it but if you do I'll get right up in your face and call you out in front of your buddy's
just to see you make excuse's.

One of the biggest thrills I ever got in my life was when my buddy and I was riding my Honda 50 (topped out at 30 or so .....way back in 64) and a biker gang of 30 or more Harley riders rode by us and gave us a fist up sign along with big smiles......... talkin about goose bumps.

swest wrote: You mean they care? Doubt it, they are in to themselves too much to even think about it. That's OK, easier to see them coming.
Steve

...Sour grapes, Steve. There are assholes out there on Harley's, no doubt! But, don't kid yourself, there are just as many assholes on Hondas, Yamaha's, Suzuki's, Kawasaki's and the rest. It's HUMAN NATURE to be assholes. Some of the finest people I know and have known ride Harley's. Like Malcolm Forbes (RIP), Keith Emerson, Slash and ME! Just to name a few.

Tyler wrote: Reading through yet another Harley thread on KZR... still just shake my head.

Harley is getting itself into a some trouble now, their demographic keeps getting older. They made their big push in the 90's and 2000's with the boomers and now they have their "hog" and (sigh) "chopper" parked in the garage. The new generation doesn't really take to the whole "heritage" or "rebel" bullshit very well. A lot of younger riders I know are into the adventure bikes. Don't know if its just around here or a trend. Harley Davidson can't keep living off the name on the fuel tank, sooner or later they are going to have branch out. Unless all they really want to sell is t-shirts and belt buckles.

Me I'll ride anything on two wheels. I don't care who made it.

...Eeeeh, I have to disagree. Harley's are usually something you grow into. I cut my street teeth on the adventuresome '69 and '70 H1 500's and later a couple of '72 H2 750's. Speed and wheel stands were in by blood! Look at me know, I've owned 2 and still do own 1. But, I never gave up my taste for speed and Kawasaki's undeniably exceptional good looks. That's why I own several.

...And they are also after the younger crowd now with the sweet, in my opinion, good looking 750 V-twins and at an entry level price! I don't think you'll see H-D going away anytime in the near future.

swest wrote: Yeah, they're coming out with a electric bike. Caving in to the Libs. They say it can get 300 miles on a charge but then what?
Steve

...aaaah, recharge. I do have to laugh when I'm on an Interstate, pull in for gas and see a car sitting there plugged into a charging station. Not me, Brother! Not me.

KraZyRIDER wrote: ...Eeeeh, I have to disagree. Harley's are usually something you grow into. I cut my street teeth on the adventuresome '69 and '70 H1 500's and later a couple of '72 H2 750's. Speed and wheel stands were in by blood! Look at me know, I've owned 2 and still do own 1. But, I never gave up my taste for speed and Kawasaki's undeniably exceptional good looks. That's why I own several.

...And they are also after the younger crowd now with the sweet, in my opinion, good looking 750 V-twins and at an entry level price! I don't think you'll see H-D going away anytime in the near future.

No they aren't going to go belly up anytime soon, but they will need to rebrand themselves at some point. And they can't because their customer base goes insane.

They put water cooling on the cylinder head of a v-twin and it pissed off their customers....

KraZyRIDER wrote:

swest wrote: Yeah, they're coming out with a electric bike. Caving in to the Libs. They say it can get 300 miles on a charge but then what?
Steve

...aaaah, recharge. I do have to laugh when I'm on an Interstate, pull in for gas and see a car sitting there plugged into a charging station. Not me, Brother! Not me.

The more realistic situation would be you pull in for gas and while your filling up an EV drives in, swaps its battery, and takes off while your waiting for the credit card receipt...

Your right though "re-charging" wont cut it for most peoples needs.

That's not likely to happen. I had to go through POST training. First responders are taught about the dangers of the batteries and shock hazards. BACON BITS
Steve

Tyler wrote:

KraZyRIDER wrote: ...Eeeeh, I have to disagree. Harley's are usually something you grow into. I cut my street teeth on the adventuresome '69 and '70 H1 500's and later a couple of '72 H2 750's. Speed and wheel stands were in by blood! Look at me know, I've owned 2 and still do own 1. But, I never gave up my taste for speed and Kawasaki's undeniably exceptional good looks. That's why I own several.

...And they are also after the younger crowd now with the sweet, in my opinion, good looking 750 V-twins and at an entry level price! I don't think you'll see H-D going away anytime in the near future.

No they aren't going to go belly up anytime soon, but they will need to rebrand themselves at some point. And they can't because their customer base goes insane.

They put water cooling on the cylinder head of a v-twin and it pissed off their customers....

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...Some will surly bitch, as they did when they went from a pan to a shovel, a shovel to an Evo. But, just look how many Evo's are on the road today. Time marches on and so will Harley...and the Knuckleheads that ride them. (pun intended)

Tyler wrote:

KraZyRIDER wrote:

swest wrote: Yeah, they're coming out with a electric bike. Caving in to the Libs. They say it can get 300 miles on a charge but then what?
Steve

...aaaah, recharge. I do have to laugh when I'm on an Interstate, pull in for gas and see a car sitting there plugged into a charging station. Not me, Brother! Not me.

The more realistic situation would be you pull in for gas and while your filling up an EV drives in, swaps its battery, and takes off while your waiting for the credit card receipt...

Your right though "re-charging" wont cut it for most peoples needs.

...Not yet, anyway.

TIme may march on, but I believe the Sporty and the V-rod is still not accepted as "true" Harleys..

I'm A-OK with Harley keeping the single pin crank, the rocker boxes w/ push rods and the old technology...but there are some things that are made just so goddamn cheap - like some of their oil pumps and cam chain tensioners. Also there is some videos about victory vs HD and showing the differences.... Why does Harley keep the primary chain that can wear out or you have to adjust etc etc - victory is gear driven between the crank and tranny. I know our KZ's are chain between the crank and tranny, but I don't see too many replacements needed vs HD's.

The Z1/KZ 1000's are gear driven. I was disappointed when I learned they went to the primary chain. No cam bearings ether just like the other bikes.
Steve