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Z650 - from standard to...? 16 Dec 2014 08:08 #656174

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Oh, and I was reminded about something that's been bugging me since I first built the bike with the 1100 motor - the shock alignment.
When the swinging arm was made by Martek, the shock mounts were wider apart than the standard mounts, so they're a bit 'splay-legged'...

So I'm thinking of doing something with the top shock mounts to bring it all into alignment. The shocks worked fine, but it was always something that bugged me, and ikt just wasn't right.
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Z650 - from standard to...? 16 Dec 2014 08:08 #656176

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I'd initially thought that I'd use this hanger -

But as it has a rubber damper in it (dunno why, most don't seem to have it, I thinik this was from a ZXR750H1) it'd be a bit pants to machine, so maybe I'll go with this one instead -

I've marked it up with the changes that it'd need to work, although I'd still need to find a larger disc, as you can see here -
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Z650 - from standard to...? 16 Dec 2014 08:09 #656177

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Old goldfish brain here got distracted again, while I was fannying around fitting the new exhaust studs into the head I had a look inside the headers... and noticed that the inside of the header pipes had some 'clag' (for want of a better word) inside. The headers weren't genuine Mr Turbo ones, as they didn't fit due to the fact that the GPz engine sits further back in the Z650 frame than it did in the 1100 frame, so I had Mickey Burke at Eyeball Engineering in Tamworth make me some new headers (and up-pipe) to suit...


Time to get the Dremel out...
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Z650 - from standard to...? 16 Dec 2014 08:09 #656178

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So, the cheapo Aldi-bought Dremel copy got some action...
although this does mean that I'll now have to check out the welds on the inside of the up-pipe joining headers to turbo as well now. The amount of difference it'll make, performance wise, is totally negligible, but it makes me happy doing it...
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Z650 - from standard to...? 16 Dec 2014 08:10 #656179

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I pulled out the standard battery box to see how much room I was going to have to fit a new (larger) battery.


And then went for a wander around t'interweb to see what kind of battery would suit my needs. I wanted a bigger battery as the standard acid battery (as per the original Z650) wasn't really man enough for the 1100 engine when I ran it before, it'd kick back on the starter, so I wanted something that not only had the potential to spin the starter a bit faster, for a bit longer, but also one that would have no issues with continually running the oil pump I'm going to use to lubricate the turbo. And that oil pump was (temporarily) mounted here...



Although I'm starting to think twice about it sitting there, given that I have to fit the oil tank somewhere as well, in a place that the turbo oil can drain into it efficiently...
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Z650 - from standard to...? 16 Dec 2014 08:11 #656180

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I'd had a look at various battery sizes on line and, having chosen one with a nice fat output, decided to mock up a cardboard version to see if it's fit. Although it didn't go according to plan at the first attempt...

Fortunately, the second one was a bit better, so I could see how well it would fit, firstly longitudinally...

Which, quite clearly, wasn't going to work, so I tried it crossways...

Which is better, but it's clear that it could only go so far forward between the frame rails, and that the plastic mudguard (one of the few original Z650 parts) would have to be altered.
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Z650 - from standard to...? 16 Dec 2014 10:57 #656188

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Zedhead,going back to your rear wheel clearence problem. I had the same with my project and it was doing my head in for ages.People reckoned that I could offset the wheel but that just didnt sound right to me,so I percy veered.
The best way I found was to center up the back wheel (with the right sized tyre on it) and run a straight edge along the tyre as far as the frame down tube by the gear pedal. Measure the distance twixt said downtube and the tyre.Subtract the chain thickness and this will give the clearence youre going to have either side of the chain. If thats acceptable (I Think I had about 7mm either side of a 530 chain) Then you can calculate how much to shave of your sprocket carrier.
I just got mine back last week and am well chuffed with it. I still need an offset front sprocket but thatll come later.
Anyway,hope this helps and good luck with your build.
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Z650 - from standard to...? 17 Dec 2014 06:47 #656268

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Thanks Davido, at the very least that'll give me an idea as to how much room I'll have for my chain, thanks!
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Z650 - from standard to...? 20 Dec 2014 04:24 #656491

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Oh, and while I remember, I have a Dyna 200 ignition for this bike. Well, I have all the Dyna kit apart from the actual Dyna 200 box itself. So I have loom, coils, ignition backing plate but need the box itself. I know that the newer boxes have a programmable function and can be plugged into a laptop, does anyone know if I can buy just the programmable box rather than a full kit?
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Z650 - from standard to...? 21 Dec 2014 05:55 #656606

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zedhead wrote: Oh, and while I remember, I have a Dyna 200 ignition for this bike. Well, I have all the Dyna kit apart from the actual Dyna 200 box itself. So I have loom, coils, ignition backing plate but need the box itself. I know that the newer boxes have a programmable function and can be plugged into a laptop, does anyone know if I can buy just the programmable box rather than a full kit?



I think you would probably have to contact Dynatek directly www.dynaonline.com/
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Z650 - from standard to...? 07 Jan 2015 06:27 #657958

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Thanks Puffin, although I managed to get a second-hand Dyna 2000 (from a helpful chap on the Z1 Owners Club forum, thanks Pigford!), so that's been stashed somewhere safe while I carry on with the battery box.
The battery turned out to actually be pretty close to the cardboard dummy that made, which was surely luck and/or coincidence more than my accuracy with cardboard.

So after some judicious measuring of the frame area and the original steel battery box, I chopped up some more cardboard and made a faux battery box before I started cutting aluminium. as the new battery is wider (and taller) than the original, it's going to have to sit further back in the frame so, as I want to use the standard battery box mounting points, there was going to have to be a certain amount of offset in the box. which is why the cardboard one is too big from front to rear.

And sliding the carboard battery box between the frame rails shows that some of the plastic rear mudguard / undertray thingy is going to have to be cut out to allow it to fit.

Now to go and cut some 3mm aluminium...
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Z650 - from standard to...? 12 Jan 2015 05:51 #658473

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Ally cut to size / shape and put in the el cheapo folder thaat I had stashed under the bench...

And tried for size in the frame. Quite clear that the rear mudguard needs to be relieved...

So it was marked up thus

And with the help of Charlie Dog, my faithful workshop companion...

... had a chuffin great hole hacked in it, using my Dremel-a-like and rotary saw blade.

Although the saw did take a liking to a finger too. It's tasted blood now...

And a trial fit showed that a bit more had to come out.
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